RicRic Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I'd be happy with either of them. Maybe even both considering how bad our depth is in attacking positions. Torres could fill in through the middle if Ollie got injured couldn't he? I think we need a player that can normally play off Ollie but cover up front when needed plus a winger as well. Yeah ferran would be excellent for this role and nico can play on right where Bailey was , front three of Torres,Watkins,Williams with Luiz,Kamara, Mcginn as the midfield trio COOKING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, RicRic said: If its a case of silly question on my behalf, just to point i have stated in there that some have said barnes and no to Ferran , so wanted to get an overview on who everyone would prefer. And yes i agree it looks a silly question as ferran is way clear of barnes in my opinion Nico Williams and Ferran Torres are the two we MUST sign for our frontline, we need to snap u both. Sorry mate - should have been clearer. I've been following your posts on this thread and others and agree with most of your views on potential incomings. So I know you were posing a (mainly) rhetorical question. My slight worry about Williams and Torres playing with Ollie is whether there will be games when all three will blow cold. In the sense that (a bit like now) if teams are playing a high line against us - those three breaking at speed would be fearsome. They'd probably be just as impressive if the opposition defenders drop back but leave a gap to their midfield - in that all three of those players could drop deep into space and attack the last line with pace. My concern is what happens when teams drop deep and flood the edge of their box with a view to hitting us on the break. I feel that slightly negates the key strength that all three have (pace) and I am not sure whether they could unpick a packed penalty area. So I think we'd struggle like we did against Wolves but be frightening against teams that bring the game to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, allani said: Harvey Barnes - 25 years old, 1 international cap, 0 goals Ferran Torres - 23 years old, 35 international caps, 15 goals I don't even know how this is a question... But then people say that 12 goals in 39 PL matches is exceptional but 9 goals in 28 is bang average. Before anyone says but Barnes has scored 12 for a team that are probably going to get relegated - just remember that Leicester and Villa have scored the exact same number of goals this season. Leicester's issue all season has been their defence (they have conceded 22 more goals than us - which is 50% more) not their attack. Barnes has only scored 34 league goals in 145 appearances - this is the first time he’s gone in double figures. He’s by no means a bad player at all, just not someone I think we’d sign for the systems we use and the ridiculous fee. Barnes doesn't hold the ball well and gives fouls away too. I think we'd want more technically minded disciplined wingers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 minute ago, allani said: Sorry mate - should have been clearer. I've been following your posts on this thread and others and agree with most of your views on potential incomings. So I know you were posing a (mainly) rhetorical question. My slight worry about Williams and Torres playing with Ollie is whether there will be games when all three will blow cold. In the sense that (a bit like now) if teams are playing a high line against us - those three breaking at speed would be fearsome. They'd probably be just as impressive if the opposition defenders drop back but leave a gap to their midfield - in that all three of those players could drop deep into space and attack the last line with pace. My concern is what happens when teams drop deep and flood the edge of their box with a view to hitting us on the break. I feel that slightly negates the key strength that all three have (pace) and I am not sure whether they could unpick a packed penalty area. So I think we'd struggle like we did against Wolves but be frightening against teams that bring the game to us. That said Torres and Williams both have a bit more guile than Ramsey and Bailey - so maybe they would find more space. Plus defenders would have to be marking all three of them so that might also open up opportunities or allow Moreno space out wide for example. So maybe I should just stop worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachboys1 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 dont like going for relegation bound clubs players done it before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Barnes is just another in long line of lazy links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) New right back and 2 new wingers. Genuinely have no idea what is gonna happen with the striker situation. Archer isn't playing ahead of Watkins and I don't think it's good for him at this point in his career and development to sit on a bench and play a cup game every now and then. Edited May 25, 2023 by Pinebro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Barnes is just another in long line of lazy links This I agree with. I just cannot see us spunking loads of money on Barnes. He's bang average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: This I agree with. I just cannot see us spunking loads of money on Barnes. He's bang average. The only way I think we might be interested is if the fee is low, say because of a relegation release clause or something, then I could see us looking at the opportunity to bring him in as a 'homegrown' player we could actually use, coach, and maybe even turn a profit on. I think he definitely has attributes that Emery could work with, the squad could certainly use a little more pace, I just don't see us chucking a big fee at him when there'd be better value elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sulberto21 Posted May 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Barnes is just another in long line of lazy links 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: This I agree with. I just cannot see us spunking loads of money on Barnes. He's bang average. Wtf am I witnessing - an agreement???? could it be love ?? Edited May 25, 2023 by Sulberto21 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Dont see this as a goer in my eyes, theyd want top dollar & he is abit hit & miss as a player, always turns up against tho. We already have an inconsistent wi ger in Bailey & he'd probably cost twice as much . Sooner spend £50 million on Nico Williams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, allani said: Sorry mate - should have been clearer. I've been following your posts on this thread and others and agree with most of your views on potential incomings. So I know you were posing a (mainly) rhetorical question. My slight worry about Williams and Torres playing with Ollie is whether there will be games when all three will blow cold. In the sense that (a bit like now) if teams are playing a high line against us - those three breaking at speed would be fearsome. They'd probably be just as impressive if the opposition defenders drop back but leave a gap to their midfield - in that all three of those players could drop deep into space and attack the last line with pace. My concern is what happens when teams drop deep and flood the edge of their box with a view to hitting us on the break. I feel that slightly negates the key strength that all three have (pace) and I am not sure whether they could unpick a packed penalty area. So I think we'd struggle like we did against Wolves but be frightening against teams that bring the game to us. None taken no problemo , yeah interesting take but we have seen similar for liverpool with mane, salah and firninho in that trio attack mode, but an attack of all three where we can rely on goals for each one of them would be perfect, we can always play two across and switch to a four in midfield if needed or if we feel the game is swinging in that way you described. But we then have flexibility. Edited May 25, 2023 by RicRic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Final one for the day Which one you picking and why for that CM spot Mateo Guendouzi Mikel Merino Giovanni Lo Celso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 hours ago, allani said: That said Torres and Williams both have a bit more guile than Ramsey and Bailey - so maybe they would find more space. Plus defenders would have to be marking all three of them so that might also open up opportunities or allow Moreno space out wide for example. So maybe I should just stop worrying. Always good to cover all potential fears so the worry is sometimes needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Sulberto21 said: Wtf am I witnessing - an agreement???? could it be love ?? The delicious irony being that the lazy links being agreed upon over came from two of the more credible reporters around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: This I agree with. I just cannot see us spunking loads of money on Barnes. He's bang average. I hope your both right delphinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Pinebro said: New right back and 2 new wingers. Genuinely have no idea what is gonna happen with the striker situation. Archer isn't playing ahead of Watkins and I don't think it's good for him at this point in his career and development to sit on a bench and play a cup game every now and then. Striker situation? Don't forget we still have Wesley on the books. 5 strikers all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 39 minutes ago, RicRic said: Final one for the day Which one you picking and why for that CM spot Mateo Guendouzi Mikel Merino Giovanni Lo Celso Geundouzi for me, all action can do everything well & he is a unit & also worked with Emery before. I also think he will be in a Villa shirt next season also, no inside info, just a hunch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Striker situation? Don't forget we still have Wesley on the books. 5 strikers all in. Emery will turn him into prime Adriano. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I'm not at all interested in Barnes and I think and hope we're not either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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