Tommo_b Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, villa4europe said: If Watkins has a long term injury the line up will be tweaked to play Diaby or zaniolo up top, it won't be duran Or Bertie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 As expected, absolutely no where near he needs to be in terms of touch, control and ability. Tbh I found his performance a bit embarrassing. Not his fault and he probably has some decent potential but for a squad looking to get top 7, again I just don’t understand what UE sees in him. I want to be proved completely wrong but I’ll say it again, if OW is out for any length of time we cannot rely on the kid at all. I just hope that Zaniolo will be able to play up there in that scenario, although he’s never really done it before. Concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, villa4europe said: If Watkins has a long term injury the line up will be tweaked to play Diaby or zaniolo up top, it won't be duran He comes on for Watkins most games and started ahead in the Europa when he was rested Why wont he play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just now, Zatman said: He comes on for Watkins most games and started ahead in the Europa when he was rested Why wont he play …..because he is no where near the required standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, eholm said: …..because he is no where near the required standard. Yep There's a difference between giving him opportunities at the end of games and vs opposition that's his level and starting a run of PL games for us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Yep There's a difference between giving him opportunities at the end of games and vs opposition that's his level and starting a run of PL games for us 100%. Look, UE has prob forgotten more about football than I have ever known in my 47 years, the guy is a top, top level manager - he’s fantastic …..I just don’t understand what he has seen in JD at all??? Yes he’s physical and has a bit about him but technically he is poor and clearly has very little football intelligence. Unai believes he is good enough to be Ollie’s back up…..that staggers me but, as I have said, he wouldn’t have kept Duran in the squad without good reason. At the moment, I cannot for the life of me see it or understand it. I just hope to god that Unai’s called this one right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, Zatman said: Based on what. Duran came on losing 3-0 Would Archer have bagged a hat trick? Might have scored or done better in the form that he showed yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Might have scored or done better in the form that he showed yesterday He touched the ball less than any other player and 2 shots end up as goals against one of worst teams in league who Duran scored against in late cameo. People being ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: He touched the ball less than any other player and 2 shots end up as goals against one of worst teams in league who Duran scored against in late cameo. People being ridiculous. Not being ridiculous Tell me how many league games archer started for us? None of us know how he would have done. But i bet of he had the cahnces ollies had he scores more than ollie does 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 He's still very much a child and pretty petulant. He'll grow up and get better but I don't think he should be starting games tbh because he's still more interested in acting like a boy rather than a man. Reminds me of a younger version of Richarlison at Spurs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Not being ridiculous Tell me how many league games archer started for us? None of us know how he would have done. But i bet of he had the cahnces ollies had he scores more than ollie does I like archer... He really doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I think people are deluding themselves if they think Archer could lead the line in this team. Archer works much better when he has a foil or someone to play off. He's just not big enough to lead the line in Emery's system which is why Duran is about still. Diaby, Zaniolo..... Archer isn't getting in over either player as a second forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted September 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) I think Jhon is only going to improve. He's a mighty and strong forward. He wasn't great today. Stating that shouldn't make people angry. I wish we'd bought another striker so he wasn't getting put on the spot in such high-pressure games. Age 19. Wow. I don't care about his mild theatrics deeply one way or another if he's contributing positively to the squad, but it's not a great look if we're losing -- still, who really cares? It's irrelevant, if he's not carded. Plenty of melodramatic players out there, but ideally, as with someone like Super Mario, you also get goals along with the laughs. Either way, Jhon's now a core player for us for the next three months at least, and that's that. I'm going to choose to be supportive (I say sententiously) -- not that that matters either. Edited September 3, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I’m not a mod so not here to tell people what to post, and I love Archer and wish we hadn’t sold him… …but do I really need to brace myself for a year+ of the thread about an exciting Colombian youth prospect to be a comparison of him to Archer, as if it was a binary choice between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I like archer... He really doesn't Me? Where did I post that? Let's see his tally in 6 games 12 games time etc before overreacting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I like archer... He really doesn't You don't think Archer's a better finisher than Ollie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted September 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: I’m not a mod so not here to tell people what to post, and I love Archer and wish we hadn’t sold him… …but do I really need to brace myself for a year+ of the thread about an exciting Colombian youth prospect to be a comparison of him to Archer, as if it was a binary choice between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: You don't think Archer's a better finisher than Ollie? Yes I do I don't think he's a better player though, not even close Archer doesn't get those chances that Ollie gets because his positioning, movement or ability to play off the defender isn't as good Archer would not score as many goals as Watkins let alone have the overall impact on us as what Watkins does I think archers better than duran and selling him is the wrong decision but trying to compare him with Watkins is daft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, Tom13 said: You don't think Archer's a better finisher than Ollie? Archer is very very clearly a better finisher. It's the only thing he's got over him mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieVillan Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 He’s raw and makes bad choices. But he did more today than Watkins did. He managed to stretch the defence and he was getting himself into positions where his team mates could find him. Watkins is obviously the better player and won’t be usurped as the no1 striker, but I would be more concerned about him today than Duran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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