TRO Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) This is a genuine question.. Is there a descriptive word/s to describe the art of passing and moving the ball around, like we do. In boxing its "Ring Craft" Is there a description of a similar word.....would it be "Pitch Craft" or "Containment" or is there something else? just interested to see views. Edited October 30, 2023 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said: its a good point, Unai isnt moaning about tiredness. If he did id suggest he has opportunities to rotate players. If the strategy is to use a smaller core group and give them more minutes, then im all for that. My main worry isnt about protecting player tiredness, its more about involving more players so that when they do play, they are all familiar with the system etc. all true. I also think, team spirit is also imperative, and this means keeping players happy with game time.....those players also have international commitments to balance too....and match fitness, is not the same as physical fitness. Unai has a whole raft of factors to consider. The top teams have traditionally, been in numerous competitions, they are geared to rotation and easier to implement....we are new to the party and just learning the ropes. The players need to be patient, like we do, watching the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 There's only about 17 players that will start more than 20 games if we stay in our remaining 3 competitions (League, FA, Conference). Outside of the XI that started yesterday - these are probably the other 6 or 7 people that will feature. Tielemans Bailey Diego Carlos Lenglet JJ Moreno Duran They will get most of their time in Conference/FA Cup/League rotation but you can probably expect 15-20 starts total out of this group. The under 20 starts group will probably be: Bert Dendoncker Chambers Olsen Kellyman Iroegbunam I don't think it's as complicated and really a huge need to 'rotate' outside of maybe two unhappy characters (Duran and Tielemans). But Tielemans has appeared in every match (14) and Bailey has made an appearance in all but two. Duran may not like it but Watkins is on fire and can easily start 45+ matches so the youngster will have to take his chances when he gets them. The under 20 starts group will only be in case of emergency and we'll probably be in trouble if they are starting regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Indigo Posted October 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2023 Saw this earlier and enjoyed it, seems the most fitting place to post. How well-organised the side is summed up in an image. 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Indigo said: Saw this earlier and enjoyed it, seems the most fitting place to post. How well-organised the side is summed up in an image. I’ve seen this photo doing the rounds, I love it. Footballing art! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Indigo said: Saw this earlier and enjoyed it, seems the most fitting place to post. How well-organised the side is summed up in an image. Madness! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 18 hours ago, DJBOB said: There's only about 17 players that will start more than 20 games if we stay in our remaining 3 competitions (League, FA, Conference). Outside of the XI that started yesterday - these are probably the other 6 or 7 people that will feature. Tielemans Bailey Diego Carlos Lenglet JJ Moreno Duran They will get most of their time in Conference/FA Cup/League rotation but you can probably expect 15-20 starts total out of this group. The under 20 starts group will probably be: Bert Dendoncker Chambers Olsen Kellyman Iroegbunam I don't think it's as complicated and really a huge need to 'rotate' outside of maybe two unhappy characters (Duran and Tielemans). But Tielemans has appeared in every match (14) and Bailey has made an appearance in all but two. Duran may not like it but Watkins is on fire and can easily start 45+ matches so the youngster will have to take his chances when he gets them. The under 20 starts group will only be in case of emergency and we'll probably be in trouble if they are starting regularly. id change starts for appearances and then id agree with you. I dont see Duran or Lenglet starting 20 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 hours ago, TRO said: all true. I also think, team spirit is also imperative, and this means keeping players happy with game time.....those players also have international commitments to balance too....and match fitness, is not the same as physical fitness. Unai has a whole raft of factors to consider. The top teams have traditionally, been in numerous competitions, they are geared to rotation and easier to implement....we are new to the party and just learning the ropes. The players need to be patient, like we do, watching the games. i think were also seeing the importance of the different European competitions in order to build the squad. If i compare us to Newcastle, theyve had to go straight into the Champions league and their group games are all against very strong sides. They dont get the luxury of playing a weakened side and they also have to deal with the come down of a mid week home games against PSG and then playing on a sat/sunday against a Luton or similar. I think a season or two in the conference league, Europa league helps start to channel the thinking around having a squad thats capable, how best to rotate them, getting the players used to the tempo and gametime. While id love champions league football at Villa, im not sure i want it before were ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, sne said: Madness! Welcome to the house of fun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: Welcome to the house of fun Welcome to the Lion's den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, cheltenham_villa said: While id love champions league football at Villa, im not sure i want it before were ready. Yep - next season will be fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said: i think were also seeing the importance of the different European competitions in order to build the squad. If i compare us to Newcastle, theyve had to go straight into the Champions league and their group games are all against very strong sides. They dont get the luxury of playing a weakened side and they also have to deal with the come down of a mid week home games against PSG and then playing on a sat/sunday against a Luton or similar. I think a season or two in the conference league, Europa league helps start to channel the thinking around having a squad thats capable, how best to rotate them, getting the players used to the tempo and gametime. While id love champions league football at Villa, im not sure i want it before were ready. salient point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 I wonder what the value of our squad is now? About £700 million? Given the contract lengths of our more highly valued players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, turvontour said: I wonder what the value of our squad is now? About £700 million? Given the contract lengths of our more highly valued players. €630.70m according to transfermarkt Club Squad ø age Foreigners ø market value Total market value 554 26.4 Years 380 €19.93m €11.04bn Manchester City 24 26.6 17 €52.70m €1.26bn Arsenal FC 25 25.2 18 €43.82m €1.10bn Chelsea FC 30 23.2 20 €33.30m €999.00m Liverpool FC 26 25.6 21 €33.74m €877.30m Manchester United 31 25.7 22 €28.30m €877.30m Tottenham Hotspur 29 25.6 21 €25.78m €747.60m Newcastle United 29 27.1 14 €22.43m €650.50m Aston Villa 26 26.7 19 €24.26m €630.70m West Ham United 25 27.8 18 €18.83m €470.85m Brighton & Hove Albion 26 25.6 19 €18.01m €468.30m Nottingham Forest 32 26.3 27 €12.36m €395.58m Brentford FC 29 25.6 20 €13.07m €379.10m Crystal Palace 27 25.9 12 €13.68m €369.45m Everton FC 25 26.7 11 €14.03m €350.70m AFC Bournemouth 29 25.8 20 €11.84m €343.50m Wolverhampton Wanderers 26 25.5 22 €12.33m €320.48m Fulham FC 26 27.3 24 €11.69m €304.00m Burnley FC 33 24.5 25 €7.78m €256.75m Sheffield United 30 25.4 18 €5.17m €154.95m Luton Town 26 27.2 12 €3.35m €87.20m https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, sne said: €630.70m according to transfermarkt Club TM valuations are a bit absurd. Wan Bissaka 5m at Palace then overnight 50m when signs for Manure. Grealish 15-35m seasons with us then 100m when signs for City. They're very post transfer reactive so pre transfer valuations just crap shoot. Pulling those figures out my arse but did monitor both players mentioned pre and post transfer and not too far away Edited November 3, 2023 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: TM valuations are a bit absurd. Wan Bissaka 5m at Palace then overnight 50m when signs for Manure. Grealish 15-35m seasons with us then 100m when signs for City. They're very post transfer reactive so pre transfer valuations just crap shoot. Pulling those figures out my arse but did monitor both players mentioned pre and post transfer and not too far away Well yeah, so are all evaluations until a player gets sold. It's ballpark but as a comparison between clubs it's as good as any. Use the FIFA or Football Manager games if you like them better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, sne said: €630.70m according to transfermarkt Club Squad ø age Foreigners ø market value Total market value 554 26.4 Years 380 €19.93m €11.04bn Manchester City 24 26.6 17 €52.70m €1.26bn Arsenal FC 25 25.2 18 €43.82m €1.10bn Chelsea FC 30 23.2 20 €33.30m €999.00m Liverpool FC 26 25.6 21 €33.74m €877.30m Manchester United 31 25.7 22 €28.30m €877.30m Tottenham Hotspur 29 25.6 21 €25.78m €747.60m Newcastle United 29 27.1 14 €22.43m €650.50m Aston Villa 26 26.7 19 €24.26m €630.70m West Ham United 25 27.8 18 €18.83m €470.85m Brighton & Hove Albion 26 25.6 19 €18.01m €468.30m Nottingham Forest 32 26.3 27 €12.36m €395.58m Brentford FC 29 25.6 20 €13.07m €379.10m Crystal Palace 27 25.9 12 €13.68m €369.45m Everton FC 25 26.7 11 €14.03m €350.70m AFC Bournemouth 29 25.8 20 €11.84m €343.50m Wolverhampton Wanderers 26 25.5 22 €12.33m €320.48m Fulham FC 26 27.3 24 €11.69m €304.00m Burnley FC 33 24.5 25 €7.78m €256.75m Sheffield United 30 25.4 18 €5.17m €154.95m Luton Town 26 27.2 12 €3.35m €87.20m https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1 I don't understand how Newcastle's squad is considered more valuable than ours? There are only about four of their players I would want in our squad. Fewer as regular starters. We are better in just about every position, especially with our second eleven players. They have relied on mid table players being in excellent form, managed by a great manager, for the last two seasons. If they don't invest heavily in their squad soon I can see their bubble bursting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Just now, Monkeypuzzle said: I don't understand how Newcastle's squad is considered more valuable than ours? There are only about four of their players I would want in our squad. Fewer as regular starters. We are better in just about every position, especially with our second eleven players. They have relied on mid table players being in excellent form, managed by a great manager, for the last two seasons. If they don't invest heavily in their squad soon I can see their bubble bursting. Their squad is full of Champions League players while ours are Conference League players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Monkeypuzzle said: I don't understand how Newcastle's squad is considered more valuable than ours? There are only about four of their players I would want in our squad. Fewer as regular starters. We are better in just about every position, especially with our second eleven players. They have relied on mid table players being in excellent form, managed by a great manager, for the last two seasons. If they don't invest heavily in their squad soon I can see their bubble bursting. Because a lot of their 'valuations' are very undercooked until there's an actual sale. We've had Martinez (28m valuation), McGinn (27m), Konsa (25m), Luiz (55m) etc around for a while now, where Newcastle have bought a lot in more recently (Botman, Isak, Bruno, Gordon), so proportionally we have more undervalued players than they have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 We need new ideas for away from and possibly a different formation. Cuz it just doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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