TRO Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said: I thought this was a tribute thread to Cowans, Mortimer and Bremner. A good variation was key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Jas10 said: This is what our midfield needs to hear: We have to improve. Strength, resilience, composure, control and dominance. We have to be better on the ball and not lose it so easily/cheaply/frequently. I’d like another option but of the right kind of profile - more defensively adept and better at keeping hold of the ball. We lack physicality. We have enough box to box 8s as it is. I agree this is where Villa have to improve. Not sure physicality is the key though, good technique (and composure) seems a safer way to keep the ball within the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, TRO said: A good variation was key. Nothing more beautiful than poetry in motion, and that is, unquestionably, what those three were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: I agree this is where Villa have to improve. Not sure physicality is the key though, good technique (and composure) seems a safer way to keep the ball within the team. A combination would be ideal. We are a lightweight and relatively weak team, been overpowered and outmuscled many times. But I agree on technique and composure (as I stated) being the most important thing, that can be combined with other traits that can help too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: I agree this is where Villa have to improve. Not sure physicality is the key though, good technique (and composure) seems a safer way to keep the ball within the team. Physicality allows you to resist the challenge.....To then be able to apply your good technique and keep the ball.....Messi is only a dot, but he has it, he can resist the disruptors, and stay on the ball more often than not. How many ball players with good technique are negated by physical players with an intent to play the man, and take the punishment or beat you to the ball and deny your talent?......You have to be able to resist that, otherwise the talent, technique is wasted. The top players, have an ability, to resist the players who want to disrupt them.....Thats what separates the best , from the lesser. Edited August 5, 2022 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 It's no secret that players like Grealish and Ramsay, vastly improved when adding more timber to their frames. The difference in watching someone like Carney play for the u19s and then in the Premier League is immense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 17 hours ago, messi11 said: If we get a top quality Number 8, 7th is easy for us. I’d be amazed even with this mythical number 8 that we keep talking about, that we finished 7th. We have strengthened considerably since last season but I’d expect another mid table finish. All of the teams in and around us have strengthened their squads too. It is worth remembering that 3 years ago, we were in The Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I’d be amazed even with this mythical number 8 that we keep talking about, that we finished 7th. We have strengthened considerably since last season but I’d expect another mid table finish. All of the teams in and around us have strengthened their squads too. It is worth remembering that 3 years ago, we were in The Championship 7th easy....yeah sure it is. And when we are 11th in December the sack the manager post will start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Pissflaps said: 7th easy....yeah sure it is. And when we are 11th in December the sack the manager post will start I didn’t say it was easy, far from it. Some people are just never happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I didn’t say it was easy, far from it. Some people are just never happy I want refering to you. I was referring to the post you replied too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: I want refering to you. I was referring to the post you replied too Oh apologies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 4 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: For a team that did a lot of transfer business very early so that the manager could bed players in, we're still pretty much up in the air as to our best shape, let alone our best eleven. I think we as fans think we are. Even amongst us here, there are differing views on what the midfield 3 should be, and everyone seems to disagree with the 3 Gerrard has been starting this pre season. Do you think Gerrard is unsure too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2022 3 hours ago, MrBlack said: Do you think Gerrard is unsure too? Perhaps - I think he had a plan A before pre-season and I think it might have been adjusted since, Bailey has definitely come in the reckoning and that's altered the shape some, I'm not sure which of the two forwards he prefers or whether he wants to go with Luiz or Ramsey. I'm sure he knows the answers to that today, but I'm not sure if they're the answers he had six weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Perhaps - I think he had a plan A before pre-season and I think it might have been adjusted since, Bailey has definitely come in the reckoning and that's altered the shape some, I'm not sure which of the two forwards he prefers or whether he wants to go with Luiz or Ramsey. I'm sure he knows the answers to that today, but I'm not sure if they're the answers he had six weeks ago. Yeah, that's about where I am, maybe slightly lower down the optimism scale. I'm hopeful that he'll have a clear idea, and that it will work. I'm far from certain though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Perhaps - I think he had a plan A before pre-season and I think it might have been adjusted since, Bailey has definitely come in the reckoning and that's altered the shape some, I'm not sure which of the two forwards he prefers or whether he wants to go with Luiz or Ramsey. I'm sure he knows the answers to that today, but I'm not sure if they're the answers he had six weeks ago. I cant remember but did Ramsey-McGinn - Kamara play together at all during pre season. I be shocked but unsurprised if thats the starting midfield tomorrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2022 55 minutes ago, Zatman said: I cant remember but did Ramsey-McGinn - Kamara play together at all during pre season. I be shocked but unsurprised if thats the starting midfield tomorrow They must have done surely? I also have a feeling that might be what we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: They must have done surely? I also have a feeling that might be what we get. Looking through the reports they played 45 minutes together in 5 games, the horrible first half vs United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: I cant remember but did Ramsey-McGinn - Kamara play together at all during pre season. I be shocked but unsurprised if thats the starting midfield tomorrow Most likely Kamara for Luiz will be the only real change. We’ll have pretty short possession sequences. Like last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublinvilla2014 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 13 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: The problem then that we have is that we end up with McGinn and Ramsey both getting caught in attacking positions when teams counter us - with the full backs high up the pitch it leaves us really, really open to counter attacks. That said, I think it might be what we start the season with. Think that's what kamara will bring to the team at this level been missing a decent defensive midfielder since promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, dublinvilla2014 said: Think that's what kamara will bring to the team at this level been missing a decent defensive midfielder since promotion Yes but one player isn’t always enough. With Ramsey and McGinn the midfield is still very attack minded. Kamara could end up being as lonely as Luiz was a lot of the time last season, even if he’s better equipped to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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