Sulberto21 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 43 minutes ago, bobzy said: But it's not a creative piece of play like a cross. As I said before, if anything it's a defensive error. Instead of just counting "own goals", we should start with "own assists" for given away penalties or those terrible backpasses which lead to goals. What about if the forward uses a bit of skill to get past only to be fouled? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 We’re splitting hairs here. He won us two penalties with his attacking play. That’s a positive attribute for a striker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Where can he be hearing them? It's certainly not at games. Game of opinions isn't it. I couldn't give a **** if he scores 0 more goals this season if he starts playing well. He is not playing well, and still didn't today. Even if his goal was lucky. He was lucky to get a second opportunity and even that went through the keeper's legs *takes cover* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) We’ve scored 12 league goals and he has played a part in just over 40% of them whilst still not playing as well as we know he can. Not bad for such a limited player. Edited September 25, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Indigo Posted September 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2023 Not really a fan of the "hasn't scored in x games" framing of things when it spans two separate seasons. Just comes across as arbitrarily cherry-picking the numbers in order to be as critical as possible. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole86 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Indigo said: Not really a fan of the "hasn't scored in x games" framing of things when it spans two separate seasons. Just comes across as arbitrarily cherry-picking the numbers in order to be as critical as possible. Especially when it is repeatedly stated incorrectly as 11 games by the same poster, he scored the goal that clinched Europe for us on the last day of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mole86 said: Especially when it is repeatedly stated incorrectly as 11 games by the same poster, he scored the goal that clinched Europe for us on the last day of last season. Me? That was his 1 in 12. Edited September 25, 2023 by Tom13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon66 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: I love deluded people telling other people they are deluded Thats because you're deluded. So there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Dillon66 said: Thats because you're deluded. So there. People that think our striker situation isn't sorted are deluded or completely oblivious to striker situation in PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Indigo said: Not really a fan of the "hasn't scored in x games" framing of things when it spans two separate seasons. Just comes across as arbitrarily cherry-picking the numbers in order to be as critical as possible. The build up to the game yesterday before kick off, the BBC also had the same stat in their head to head section too. I guess they also must be cherry picking the numbers in order to also be as critical as possible against him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Wezbid said: Great finish. He's contributed with assists and just his pressing game in general helps the team in a subtle way. There's barely any middle ground on here, either shite or great when it's not like that. I actually don’t think his pressing game is close to what it was in the second half of last season. Maybe Emery is wanting him to conserve his energy more, im not sure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Me? That was his 1 in 12. No, probably referring to me as I posted a similar stat yesterday. I wouldn't worry about the poster though. They're a mere silverfish and only appear to come out when a damp subject occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: The build up to the game yesterday before kick off, the BBC also had the same stat in their head to head section too. I guess they also must be cherry picking the numbers in order to also be as critical as possible against him. Well... yes, of course they are If you're going to show a stat about something, you make it as exaggerated as possible. The same reason that people talk about Watkins' league goals this season because scoring elsewhere doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: The build up to the game yesterday before kick off, the BBC also had the same stat in their head to head section too. I guess they also must be cherry picking the numbers in order to also be as critical as possible against him. Bit of a false equivalence, but if they were also doing so in the context of criticising his contributions so far this season then I'd probably say so, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 We've scored 12 goals 1 more than Arsenal which has us 6th most goals in the league and Watkins is leading the line and had a part in 5 of the them. I joked early in season with Buendia injured people would have to find other players to complain about but didn't think people would be this ridiculous but it's VT so I was being delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Indigo said: Bit of a false equivalence, but if they were also doing so in the context of criticising his contributions so far this season then I'd probably say so, yeah. It's no false equivalence, it's the same stat, it is you choosing to make a meal out of it to suit your argument my friend. And based on this, are you saying constructive criticism of players isn't allowed? Edited September 25, 2023 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: We've scored 12 goals 1 more than Arsenal which has us 6th most goals in the league and Watkins is leading the line and had a part in 5 of the them. I joked early in season with Buendia injured people would have to find other players to complain about but didn't think people would be this ridiculous but it's VT so I was being delusional Who's complaining? You keep referring to this but I've not seen anyone moaning or complaining as such. Can you elaborate more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, bobzy said: Well... yes, of course they are If you're going to show a stat about something, you make it as exaggerated as possible. The same reason that people talk about Watkins' league goals this season because scoring elsewhere doesn't count. Well it's the league that were focusing on. If we want to go into other areas such as Europa conference league then his goal stats and contributions there make for very pleasant reading so far, whilst keeping one eye on who the quality of the opposition have been thus far too. In the league. There is no exaggerated fact that Ollie had not scored a goal in the league that stretched back to last season which was a run of 11 games in total? Or have we missed seeing Ollie score somewhere in that time and someone's forgot to mention it? Facts are facts no matter what way you try and dress it up. If you want to number it differently in terms of goals this season so it looks a but more shiney then it's his first goal in 6 games. My gripe with him is that he can be frustrating to watch - he probably frustrates himself too I would imagine. You can see the goal yesterday looked like a big weight of relief for him and I'm hoping that he can kick on from this now and find the net more to add to his goal tally and compliment his already glowing numbers in assists and work rate that he already has. It's frustrating his work rate leads to unfortunate situations at times.. like running in trouble, losing possession, not seeing a pass in time and missing scoring opportunities etc. We know what he's capable of because we seen that last season when he went on a mad run of goalscoring form. Everyone wants to see that Ollie back and scoring more without a doubt, but there's equally no harm in fans voicing constructive criticism from time to time either when a player isn't delivering as expected. Edited September 25, 2023 by AvfcRigo82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Facts are facts no matter what way you try and dress it up. In games where Ollie hasn't scored, he hasn't scored. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2023 Ollie has always been a bit 'streaky'. Hopefully that's the start of a purple patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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