Lichfield Dean Posted October 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 I've just had to read the actual legislation itself to work out what's going on with childcare. Gov.UK is of zero use and different local authorities seem to be giving conflicting advice. Whole thing is just totally confusing for everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 Is this thing about food pubs definitely confirmed? Nothing about it on the BBC news (national or local), and I'd have thought it would be a pretty significant detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said: I've just had to read the actual legislation itself to work out what's going on with childcare. Gov.UK is of zero use and different local authorities seem to be giving conflicting advice. Whole thing is just totally confusing for everybody Nevermind, I'm sure Johnson will clear up any outstanding questions you may have in his TV address in 10 minutes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) Nobody could have seen this coming. They must have all caught it in the pub. Edited October 12, 2020 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Is this thing about food pubs definitely confirmed? Nothing about it on the BBC news (national or local), and I'd have thought it would be a pretty significant detail. In the 'very high' areas: 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, bickster said: You have a complete lack of understanding of the dynamics of the area Yes the 300+ is big but it also by far the lowest total anywhere in the city Most of the people who work on Lark Lane live locally. Vast majority of the locals, go out there to socialise. Its one streets but has 95% of the licensed establishments in the area. It's like a village in the city, the ward has for years always returned Green councillors, it's different and it's very much a "use local" area. People move there because of that. Regardless of others coming into the ward if pubs and restaurants were causing this, the incidence would be much higher than it is There are areas on that map that have very few pubs and restarurants and the infection rate is much higher It’s not about knowing the dynamic of the area, it’s about drawing conclusions from the data. You've concluded that because the huge eye watering numbers are not in the same area as the pubs then pubs aren’t the location of the infections. That’s flawed as I said, numbers are attributed to home address not site of infection. If you look at St Michaels in isolation, you say it has an awful lot of pubs and a small local population. It has one of the biggest infection rates in the country. It could well be that locals are getting infected in the pubs, and also those travelling in from other areas of the city are getting infected in them too. If anything the data leans me more to believe the pubs are the site of infections/transmissions than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Nobody could have seen this coming. They must have all caught it in the pub. Over 1,500 confirmed cases from 1 university Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Genie said: Over 1,500 confirmed cases from 1 university Nottingham Trent haven't released their numbers yet, but between the two of them, I expect they'll account for the vast majority of cases in Nottingham. We gave an incredibly high student population for the size the city, so I'm not surprised we have the highest infection rate in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, bickster said: You have a complete lack of understanding of the dynamics of the area Yes the 300+ is big but it also by far the lowest total anywhere in the city Most of the people who work on Lark Lane live locally. Vast majority of the locals, go out there to socialise. Its one streets but has 95% of the licensed establishments in the area. It's like a village in the city, the ward has for years always returned Green councillors, it's different and it's very much a "use local" area. People move there because of that. Regardless of others coming into the ward if pubs and restaurants were causing this, the incidence would be much higher than it is There are areas on that map that have very few pubs and restarurants and the infection rate is much higher Are you saying that pubs and restaurants shouldn't be shut in Liverpool? Personally I think they should shut all the pubs and restaurants in Lancashire for two weeks and see what effect it has on the spread of the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaulC said: Are you saying that pubs and restaurants shouldn't be shut in Liverpool? Personally I think they should shut all the pubs and restaurants in Lancashire for two weeks and see what effect it has on the spread of the virus. It'll have very little effect, just like @Davkausis explaining above, the huge numbers are in the student population. We have 4 major Higher Education establishments. UoL, JMU, Hope and LIPA between them they have a population of 70k out of a population of 550K. At least half of that population (I suspect more) will live in Halls of residence, be they Institution owned or privately owned and it is here that the infection is spreading rapidly. It's a result of the living conditions above anything else. I just looked up 1 private hall in the city centre, Grand Central, it has over 1000 rooms and there are MANY more just the same, it's footprint is about half a football pitch. No test and trace app is going to be able to deal with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, PaulC said: Are you saying that pubs and restaurants shouldn't be shut in Liverpool? Also on a different point, the pubs that will shut are the wrong ones, ones that serve food will remain open (thats absolutely most of them) The ones that don't serve food will shut, in the main they are back street, one man and a dog pubs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Robert Peston makes me want to stab myself in the eye to help pass the time in between when he starts talking and when he gets to his point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) I wouldn't have much problem with pubs shutting even if it was just on a "just to see what happens" basis. But it's an industry which is on an absolute knife edge, with the vast majority of workers on minimum wage. If the government is forcing people not to go to work, they should be ensuring they're paid. People need to pay their rent, what's the government's plan? **** 'em, 2/3 of minimum wage will do, they'll figure something out? Edited October 12, 2020 by Davkaus 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted October 12, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Also on a different point, the pubs that will shut are the wrong ones, ones that serve food will remain open (thats absolutely most of them) The ones that don't serve food will shut, in the main they are back street, one man and a dog pubs So basically, the good independent local boozers will probably go bust, while 'Spoons will scoop up the surplus trade? Wouldn't be because Tim Martin is a Brexiteer and Tory party donor, would it? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I wouldn't have much problem with pubs shutting even if it was just on a "just to see what happens" basis. But it's an industry which is on an absolute knife edge, with the vast majority of workers on minimum wage. If the government is forcing people not to go to work, they should be ensuring they're paid. People need to pay their rent, what's the government's plan? **** 'em, 2/3 of minimum wage will do, they'll figure something out? I agree it’s not very good, Rishi did just say that with benefits and things kicking in that someone on minimum wage doing 35 hours will take home about 90% of what they currently do. With costs of going to work removed the gap is hopefully manageable for those impacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just as an example of what I'm talking about. note the red area I've (badly) drawn. That is 3 different privately owned Halls of Residence. Over 3000 students live there, in a space actually smaller than Lime Street Station opposite This is the problem that now needs solving, nothing I've seen so far announced today even attempts to address it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Genie said: Rishi did just say that with benefits and things kicking in that someone on minimum wage doing 35 hours will take home about 90% of what they currently do I'm not sure I'd believe the Chancellor or any member of the government when it comes to being on top of what benefits pay and don't pay or whether people are eligible or when they might get them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjmooney Posted October 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) Also: this seems to be all about what the pub has to do (be open for serving 'main meals' at tables). But do the customers have to take advantage of this? Will the police be coming round to make sure you eat up your dinner? Edited October 12, 2020 by mjmooney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, snowychap said: Hello sir, here’s your pint of Stella, and this little cup has your soup. Enjoy. Edited October 12, 2020 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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