Notre Dame Cathedral on fire

[sne]

If anyone is thinking of buying a PSG top, buy this one.

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SOLID EFFORT: PARISIAN STORE OFFER TO PRINT PSG REPLICA SHIRTS WITH GOLDEN ‘NOTRE DAME’ IMAGE AND DONATE €10 TO FUND-RAISING CAMPAIGN FOR EACH ONE

PSG have announced that they have officially joined the crowd-funding effortto help raise money needed to rebuild and refurnish the ruined parts of the Notre Dame cathedral, which was gutted by a dreadful fire on Monday.

The club released a statement to announce that they are planning a “mobilisation” in conjunction with their sponsors and fans to help assist the campaign to restore the 850-year-old Gothic landmark.

Local Parisian sports printing shop Foot Store are also mucking in by offering PSG fans the chance to have a golden image of Notre Dame added to their replica shirts for free…

Foot Store have also pledged that €10 will be donated to the aforementioned crowd-funding mission for every Notre Dame flock they print, and have invited fans to come along to their outlet on Boulevard St Martin in Paris to take them up on the offer.

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/kits/283442/parisian-store-offer-to-print-psg-replica-shirts-with-golden-notre-dame-image-and-donate-e10-to-fund-raising-campaign-for-every-one-photo.html

Not that I'd buy a PSG top, but still.

[snowychap]

13 hours ago, mjmooney said:

It's OK, they saved Jebus's ACTUAL CROWN OF THORNS. 

They should raffle bits of it off.

Edited April 17, 2019 by snowychap

[sne]

Thank god they didn't store Santa Clause's sled in there as well.

It'd be impossible for him to deliver all the presents without it next Christmas.

[bickster]

1 hour ago, sne said:

If anyone is thinking of buying a PSG top, buy this one.

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/kits/283442/parisian-store-offer-to-print-psg-replica-shirts-with-golden-notre-dame-image-and-donate-e10-to-fund-raising-campaign-for-every-one-photo.html

Not that I'd buy a PSG top, but still.

Are they actually donating any money themselves or just getting people to do it for them?

[sne]

1 minute ago, bickster said:

Are they actually donating any money themselves or just getting people to do it for them?

No idea how it works.

Fwiw it's the store and not PSG who are doing this.

[bickster]

16 minutes ago, sne said:

No idea how it works.

Fwiw it's the store and not PSG who are doing this.

Ah, misread the post then, thought it was the club

[Xann]

[peterms]

Interesting move by Macron to cancel an announcement about his response to the gilets jaunes and speak about Notre Dame instead, as a bigger priority.  There is talk about the fire bringing the country together.

When he does come to talk about the months-long protest, many people will perhaps be mindful that the cathedral has raised €800m in a matter of hours, so if his response is more a case of "let them eat brioche" instead of making significant concessions, I imagine it won't go down too well with those who are struggling to get by.

[Dr_Pangloss]

45 minutes ago, peterms said:

Interesting move by Macron to cancel an announcement about his response to the gilets jaunes and speak about Notre Dame instead, as a bigger priority.  There is talk about the fire bringing the country together.

When he does come to talk about the months-long protest, many people will perhaps be mindful that the cathedral has raised €800m in a matter of hours, so if his response is more a case of "let them eat brioche" instead of making significant concessions, I imagine it won't go down too well with those who are struggling to get by.

One might argue it's a smoke screen.

[Nigel]

The Bristol fans will have a field day if they find this thread 

[chrisp65]

1 hour ago, peterms said:

Interesting move by Macron to cancel an announcement about his response to the gilets jaunes and speak about Notre Dame instead, as a bigger priority.  There is talk about the fire bringing the country together.

When he does come to talk about the months-long protest, many people will perhaps be mindful that the cathedral has raised €800m in a matter of hours, so if his response is more a case of "let them eat brioche" instead of making significant concessions, I imagine it won't go down too well with those who are struggling to get by.

As pretty as it is (if you like gothic), it's just a building.

Replace the roof with something suitable that isn't a 10 year project sourcing specific oak types and training people to use medieval tools whilst wearing a tricorne hat.

Spend the rest on a hospital or a few fields of renewable energy production.

 

Same with Westminster, it's just a building on a prime site. In fact, it's an unsuitable building on a prime site. Build a new parliament elsewhere and coat that one in clear resin so the tourists can still stare at it.

[sne]

as long as they don't touch Villa Park amirite?

[bickster]

2 hours ago, sne said:

as long as they don't touch Villa Park amirite?

Any historical aspect to Villa Park was removed quite some time ago

[villa4europe]

19 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

As pretty as it is (if you like gothic), it's just a building.

Replace the roof with something suitable that isn't a 10 year project sourcing specific oak types and training people to use medieval tools whilst wearing a tricorne hat.

Spend the rest on a hospital or a few fields of renewable energy production.

 

Same with Westminster, it's just a building on a prime site. In fact, it's an unsuitable building on a prime site. Build a new parliament elsewhere and coat that one in clear resin so the tourists can still stare at it.

I did a couple of years QSing on brum council house and then the BMAG, we had to rip up old really shit timber raised access flooring, completely unfit for purpose, I tried to argue that we could do something great using metal raised access flooring for about a 5th of the price, no chance, then argued we could do something better with timber for around half the price, no chance, replaced like for like knowing that as a raised access floor it didn't **** work!! stupid

as for Westminster...they don't talk about it and for good reason, for perspective the £4bn budget for it (which lets be honest they will sail over) would make it the 2nd most expensive commercial construction project in history, behind that big clock tower building in mecca which cost $15bn but also happens to be the tallest building in the world* and has 310,000m² of floor space, the Scottish parliament building (the ugly as **** one) cost £414m, its crazy what they could actually build themselves even in London with "£1bn" im talking the most impressive state of the art modern facility in the world but instead they'd rather spunk the cash on Westminster probably citing tradition or some such bollocks, its absolutely outrageous what they're doing

[coda]

53 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

as for Westminster...they don't talk about it and for good reason, for perspective the £4bn budget for it (which lets be honest they will sail over) would make it the 2nd most expensive commercial construction project in history, behind that big clock tower building in mecca which cost $15bn but also happens to be the tallest building in the world* and has 310,000m² of floor space, the Scottish parliament building (the ugly as **** one) cost £414m, its crazy what they could actually build themselves even in London with "£1bn" im talking the most impressive state of the art modern facility in the world but instead they'd rather spunk the cash on Westminster probably citing tradition or some such bollocks, its absolutely outrageous what they're doing

No! It's a shame it's full of reprobates but Westminster is iconic and needs restoring.

[villa4europe]

14 minutes ago, coda said:

No! It's a shame it's full of reprobates but Westminster is iconic and needs restoring.

no it needs cordoning off and turning in to a tourist attraction whilst the people who work there are moved to a modern building that's fit for purpose

[lapal_fan]

Depending on what day of the week it is, I'd probably have a different opinion about restoration vs costs.

But yea, it needs to be dumped and started over.  Don't waste that much tax payer money on something which could be done for a fraction of the cost. 

If the world was perfect and we hadn't been living in austerity for the last 10 years, there are homeless people on the streets and people who use food banks - then unfortunately you have to save money somewhere, why not start with the people who are responsible for all this shit and the place they work? 

Is it iconic?  Yep.  Would it be a huge shame to have to do it?  Yep, it certainly is.  

But then again..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/galleries/iconic-buildings-demolished-what-replaced-them/ 

The beautiful landmarks you won't believe were torn down – and what replaced them

It's only a shame for the people who remember them, 2 generations down the line and all it is, is a picture in a history book.  

I've had the discussion before, but tear the whole lot down and improve infrastructure all over, it's shit and is getting worse.  Smart motorways are already out-dated.  Either challenge the source of the problem (stop selling cars or give people BETTER options to replace them), or improve the struggling networks (Electric, Gas, Travel all included). 

we don't need the England being like the Isle of White, we need it to be functional with nods to the past, don't be a slave to it. 

[Jon]

1 hour ago, villa4europe said:

no it needs cordoning off and turning in to a tourist attraction whilst the people who work there are moved to a modern building that's fit for purpose

Spot on. It's a relic and unfit to be used in 2019 as the building of our parliament.  We don't house prisoners in the tower of London.  H of P should go the same way.  Open it up to the paying public/ tourists.  Let it pay its own way.  

Create a modern building for MPs in brum or Manchester, fit for 21st century parliamentary business. Let's take 'democracy ' out of London. 

[chrisp65]

1 hour ago, coda said:

No! It's a shame it's full of reprobates but Westminster is iconic and needs restoring.

 

1 hour ago, villa4europe said:

no it needs cordoning off and turning in to a tourist attraction whilst the people who work there are moved to a modern building that's fit for purpose

Nobody (very few people) are suggesting the site should be sold off to NCP.

But it doesn't work as a parliament, its a security nightmare, it's too small and utterly lacking in facilities. To spend billions making it a bit less unsuitable is an awful financial decision. Fix it up as a museum and conference space. Everybody knows the final bill will be three times the current estimate, it's how massive government projects go.

I worked on a Ministry building a few hundreds yards up the road. Initial budget for our piece of work was a suspiciously round figure of £1 Million.

Sure enough, by the end of the job the building was a bit better but still a long stretch from being perfect, the final bill was close on £3 Million and we achieved that by not doing the top floor.

Anyway, a bit off topicish.

 

[peterms]

2 hours ago, villa4europe said:

the Scottish parliament building (the ugly as **** one) cost £414m

A large part of the reason for the cost was that 9/11 happened when construction was already under way, and at that point they decided to change the spec to make it bombproof.  As you can imagine, this was not a minor variation, and changing the spec when work has already started is always bad news.

The design is a matter of taste.  Personally I find it rather overblown an a bit pretentious, but not as ludicrous as some say.  The problem is that as a working building, things like adequate meeting rooms and effective space for MSPs and staff just aren't good enough.  So MSP offices have a little window feature where they can sit and recline in the window opening, and think deeply.  The architect called it a "contemplation space", but a more accurate technical term would be "a right load of old bollocks".  The offices and meeting rooms themselves are a bit dark and gloomy, and not very spacious.  The building was designed to meet the needs of the architect, and to show off, not to meet the needs of the users.