Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 All eyes on the genocide case today - let's see how quickly our politicians start to pivot once something like genocide is established, whenever that is. I'm actually finding more Tories falling on the right side of this than Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 56 minutes ago, Jareth said: All eyes on the genocide case today - let's see how quickly our politicians start to pivot once something like genocide is established, whenever that is. I'm actually finding more Tories falling on the right side of this than Labour. If you're expecting them to rule that it's Genocide then you'll be disappointed. It's a very high bar. There's no doubt it's ethnic cleansing, but I don't think it's Genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 34 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: If you're expecting them to rule that it's Genocide then you'll be disappointed. It's a very high bar. There's no doubt it's ethnic cleansing, but I don't think it's Genocide. I'm expecting them to outline what has happened and for the world to hear it on record without spin or bias - that in itself should be damning enough. From the South Africans just now - All of these acts individually and collectively form a calculated pattern of conduct by Israel indicating a genocidal intent. This intent is evident from Israel’s conduct in: Targeting Palestinians living in Gaza using weaponry that causes large scale, homicidal destruction, as well as targeted sniping of civilians. Designating safe zones for Palestinians to seek refuge and then bombing these. Depriving Palestinians in Gaza of basic needs – food, water, health care, fuel, sanitation, and communications. Destroying social infrastructure, homes, schools, mosques, churches, hospitals, and killing, seriously injuring, and leaving large numbers of children orphaned. Genocides are never declared in advance but this court has the benefit of the past 13 weeks of evidence that shows incontrovertibly, a pattern of conduct and related intention that justifies a plausible claim of genocidal acts. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jan/11/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-israel-gaza-war-hamas-palestine-south-africa-genocide-case-icj Edited January 11 by Jareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 From the same source as above - Israel’s attacks have left close to 60,000 Palestinians wounded and maimed, the majority of them women and children. This in circumstances where the healthcare system has all that collapsed. Large numbers of Palestinian civilians, including children, are arrested, blindfolded, forced to undress and loaded on to trucks taken to unknown locations. The suffering of the Palestinian people, physical and mental is undeniable. Israel has deliberately imposed conditions on Gaza that cannot sustain life and are calculated to bring about its physical destruction … by displacement. Israel has forced – forced – the displacement of about 85% of Palestinians in Gaza. There is nowhere safe for them to flee to. Israel’s first evacuation order on 13 October required the evacuation of over one million people including children, the elderly, the wounded, and infirm. The order itself was genocidal. It required immediate movement, taking only what could be carried while no humanitarian assistance was permitted. And fuel, water and food and other necessities of life had deliberately been cut off. It was clearly calculated to bring about the destruction of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 cyan on white is a hard read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 They had control and responsibility for the water supply to the civilian population, they chose to turn it off. Pre meditated mass punishment of the civilian population. All the other stuff, the images of them bulldozing up the recently buried, snipers taking out old ladies waving white flags, the bombing of designated safe zones, it’s just more detail, more paper in the file. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: cyan on white is a hard read. it's a hard read whatever colour the font no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 11 Moderator Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Jareth said: it's a hard read whatever colour the font no? Thats why there's a one button solution called a quote box indicated by... shockingly... quotation marks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 22 minutes ago, bickster said: Thats why there's a one button solution called a quote box indicated by... shockingly... quotation marks Right you are Ted, here's some more from the case, from the previous source, in the desired format Quote In the next segment of its presentation in The Hague, South Africa is presenting what it describes as evidence of the genocidal intent of the Israeli authorities. In doing so it has quoted directly several Israeli leaders, including the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, defence minister, Yoav Gallant, and Israeli president, Isaac Herzog. It referenced Netanyahu citing the Biblical story of the Amalek people, and this language being echoed by troops on the ground. It cited Gallant’s comment that Israel was fighting “human animals”, and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” in Gaza. It quoted him telling troops that there were no restraints and that “we will eliminate everything, we will reach all places”. South Africa’s legal team said “the language of systematic dehumanisation is evident here. Human animals. Both Hamas and civilians are condemned within the Israeli cabinet.” It also cited the a deputy speaker of the Knesset calling for the erasure of the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth, arguing that even if they were not a member of the government, they were a lawmaker whose votes in the Knesset shaped the policies of the Israeli state. A video clip was shown of Israeli soldiers dancing and singing about the destruction of Gaza during the operation inside the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 11 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11 Fair play to the South Africans. They're on the right side of history. The stuff they've presented is pretty damning of the intent of Israel. Won't matter of course. And the South African legal team might want to check what cars they get into, phones they answer, things that get delivered to their houses, and probably not eat or drink in public anytime soon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustibrooks Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Is the case is only being shown on Al Jazeera live tv? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Today's statements by the South Africans should of course be balanced out - here's another snippet from the same source, Quote South Africa’s Jewish Board of Deputies has condemned the legal action, accusing the government of antisemitism and of “inverting reality”. “These charges have at their root an antisemitic worldview, which denies Jews their rights to defend themselves,” the body’s chair, Karen Milner, said. Is this not conflation? Is that a trope? Is reality inverted? Tune in tomorrow for the defendant's response, court's closed for today - lazy buggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 11 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11 Incidentally parliament passed a third reading of the anti-BDS bill, which basically follows the awful US legislation that prevents public bodies (which you quickly discover is a larger group than you'd think) from undertaking boycott activities. Disgusting but here we are. Israel cannot be questioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustibrooks Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 So the South African delegation also presented those TikTok’s of IDF soldiers dancing and mocking the Palestinians in Gaza apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Rustibrooks said: So the South African delegation also presented those TikTok’s of IDF soldiers dancing and mocking the Palestinians in Gaza apparently From what I read about it, they've been keen to avoid showing graphic footage of the daily massacre by Israel, as they seek to win the case on facts - and also to differentiate themselves from Israel who they anticipate will be showing compilations of Oct 7th footage, as per they did with journos, in an attempt to justify their subsequent actions in Gaza. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Jareth said: it's a hard read whatever colour the font no? just dont put it on a yellow background or something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 11 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11 The South African legal team are being decried as Hamas representatives and anti-Semites. There's a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The oil tanker that was "accidently" transporting sanctioned Iranian oil that was then seized by the US and made to travel to America to offload the sanctioned oil so it could be used to pay the fine the US imposed on it , has now been seized by the Iranian navy ... was transporting Iraqi oil but its owned by a Greek company ( though internet claims it's actually owned by the US now) Iran saying they are legally taking back the oil the Americans stole from them and thus it does not constitute as hijacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 hours ago, desensitized43 said: If you're expecting them to rule that it's Genocide then you'll be disappointed. It's a very high bar. There's no doubt it's ethnic cleansing, but I don't think it's Genocide. Agreed. Genocide is a very high bar. Israel is committing war crimes, and cleansing (I'm not sure ethnic is the right word either as there's no filtration), but if the bar is lowered to what we've seen in Gaza now then we'll need a whole new term for the Uighur, Armenian and Assyrian genocides, Holocaust, Holodomor+++. Perspective, even though that is hardly easy to find for a lot of people on either side in this conflict dictates that 20.000 killed and 60.000 injured isn't even an average allied bombing of a German city in WW2, or a couple of weeks in most modern conflicts. Mariupol alone has reportedly had more dead civilians than Gaza so far during Russia's total destruction of the city. Funnily enough SA are against calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine a genocide or ethnic cleansing, yet when Israel does it, it somehow is. People aren't voting for the actual people of Gaza or Ukraine, they're voting or leading a case with their international blocks, in this case BRICS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Good for them, feels like an obvious thing. Quote Finnish and Icelandic artists call for Israel to be banned from Eurovision More than 1,400 Finnish artists have joined Icelandic musicians in demanding that Israel be banned from this year’s Eurovision song contest over alleged war crimes in Gaza. If Israel is not excluded from the competition, which will be held in the Swedish city of Malmö in May, the Finnish Broadcasting Company (Yle) should boycott the contest and refuse to send a Finnish entry, they say. “It is not in accordance with our values that a country that commits war crimes and continues a military occupation is given a public stage to polish its image in the name of music,” reads a petition that has been signed by Finland-based artists, musicians and music industry professionals. “At the same time other participating countries end up giving their support to Israel’s policies.” https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/jan/11/finnish-and-icelandic-artists-call-for-israel-to-be-banned-from-eurovision 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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