Danny Villaman and his English

[Danny_Villaman84]

I been copy one of my post so can link directly to this thread under my signature for the future ref. 

warning : it is my pissed attuide. It is my first time post like that in forum. 

I been used abuse or mock about me or english i take like brush shoulders off. Cos i been dealt like from born to adult: i used it, i can handle this crap (i suppose use "s***") i been told off before. As i can take back but pointless to agure people who don't understanding or narrow mind.

This reason why i keep in and out this forum, because i find bored, fed up or annoying that people mock my English when actually i am English person even strong and load of generation is British, i am not foreign that you thought. I decided drop in when I like in and depend my mood. People like some members  pull me down. I blame them.. No! Honest i didnt they have own opinions and they sort of like they  judge on book front page when not read throught book what i hate.. Read book first that judge afterwards.

Yet fact it is my second language English cos i use bsl, compare bsl and English grammar rules it is make small to big different also i try part of this forum if u not see my post don't worries i back in when i can when i felt want voice on opinions. 

For example: In college which i went for study electrical installation level 3 ((which i passed which is in English ofc ! = ((sarcasm)) 

I was gobsmacked some hearing people English worse that me, they are british even English, even cant spelling even wrong grammar rules use without phone auto-correct as they relying on it or use voice to spelling they missing like silent alphabet make missing spelling ie casle or cok, aple something like that or people have dyslexia.

Did I mock them? Joke them? and label i better than you? like you did to me.. Oh need "google translate"

I would never do it ever, all do i is supported them and encourage them, and point basic as i understand how they felt. And proud of them to try and be part of family ((seriously whose mock me, you might take note this)) - as not fair on them as it is form of bully. 

Thanks to members who backed me up. 

Please Remember that i can read English really good (some slang,  i am not sure also i didnt got sarcasm i didnt recognize in write or read) but in the written in English is my weakened area cos i keep forgetting grammar rules cos i not use daily like you all as speaking use mouth which i doesnt speak like you as i use hand - sign they doesn't follow grammar like i been explaining to some you - i dont use "was" "to" "is" like -  "you name what?" That i reply like "name me - Danny."

These are my English and is it need google translate? Or interpreter bsl translate into English? No! It is fine English. 

((Mic Drop))

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDSOvfaCO9b3MlO/giphy.gif

Second post will explain deep what difference hearing english and deaf English. 

[Stevo985]

Hi Danny. 

 

Thanks for the post. I find it genuinely fascinating that there is such a difference in grammar between English and BSL. I guess it’s one of those things you never really think about when you don’t have to use the language yourself. 

 

Its great easy to see you posting and from what I’ve seen you have some interesting views on the team so I hope you keep visiting. 

 

In defence of of my fellow VTers, when you read one of your posts without knowing that your first language is BSL, it does come across as being written by someone who isn’t English. 

I think now that you’ve explained then everyone understands and nobody would mock you for it. 

 

Also, being mocked for your English isn’t necessarily a bad thing. The humour on VT is often of a mocking nature and it probably just means we like you. Just ask @Demitri_C

Anyway, hope you stick around, and if anyone does genuinely insult you then send them to @leemond2008. He’ll volley them in he **** jaw for you. 

 

UTV

[Danny_Villaman84]

@Stevo985 Might i am harsh on members who didnt know too, cos i were lost my cool.  I will apologise for it. 

but i find truly offensive about comment like Google translate it is way high offence even without knowing that it is my second language yet not matter what it is insulted. 

That why i into mauled mode. I wouldn't say that i would say is you poor English? Please explain me clearly that post i would go change edit to better explaining. Or write your first language on Google translate that post might help you out. I will fine with that. 

Yeh i would know differently joke and insult. 

Thanks for pointing me out about they not awareness make me think second thoughts on my post. Might i del one post in other one. 

[mjmooney]

Seconded on what Stevo said. It's unfortunate - but nonetheless the right thing - that you've had to explain the situation. I'm pretty sure that nobody who reads this thread will ever criticise your language use again. Unfortunately, there will still be plenty who haven't seen it - particularly in the main forum, many of whose contributors never read Off-Topic - so you'll probably still get some snide remarks. However, expect support from those of us who know, when it does happen. 

As a hearing person, I can't begin to imagine the difficulties faced by deaf people. Massive respect to you, my friend. 

[Ingram85]

I can read your posts better than I can Dem's and at least you have a reason .

Love you Dem x

[Xela]

Has @Demitri_C got a new account?

I jest of course 

Don't let it wind you up @Danny_Villaman84 it can get a bit tense in the main part of the forum. Its more relaxed in off topic and the vast majority of the banter is good natured. I'm sure people didn't mean you any disrespect, it was probably just someone trying to be funny and wasn't aware of the situation. 

[Dr_Pangloss]

Welcome back mate! I remember you from the Vital Villa days, before I got banned!

[bobzy]

I had no idea there was such a difference between BSL and hearing English - that's fascinating!

Try not to take anything to heart Danny.  The posts of yours that I've read/remember reading make interesting points and the forum would be much worse off losing such contributions.  Personally, I've learned something about BSL today which I wouldn't have done otherwise, so thank you!

[dukes]

@Danny_Villaman84 I am genuinely sorry for my comment. Actually it makes no difference if you're deaf or foreign, my comment was insensitive and has no place on a happy forum for fellow Villa fans.

 

Without getting myself further in the mire, I actually thought you were one of da yoot, which was why I made my comment...still it's no defence and I made myself look like a right idiot. Sorry once again.

Edited November 27, 2017 by dukes

[NurembergVillan]

Danny, thanks for explaining to everyone that BSL is your first language. I think many of us have learned something about the grammar rules in reading this.

You clearly love the Villa, you've got an educated view on football, and you go to the trouble of sharing that with us in a language you don't use in regular communication. Massive respect for that.

Any issues with other posters giving you a hard time, just press the report button and the team of Mods will get it sorted.

We're all Villans together here mate.

[BOF]

I echo what @Stevo985 & @NurembergVillan have said.  We have learned something today.

What I would say to you for your own peace of mind is try not to take anything negative to heart in here because most of the time it is not meant to be malicious.  The humour in here can be close to the bone but it is mostly well-intentioned.  Also now that people know i) that you are using BSL and ii) that there are grammatical differences between sign & written/spoken English, you should not see anyone (who knows these facts) making light of any posts that you make in the future.  Anyone who does, you can probably assume is unfamiliar with said facts.

I think it is about people being educated about what it is you are using.  No-one would knowingly make light of a post if they were armed with that knowledge, and this thread will go a long way towards enlightening many on this forum towards that end, as it has for me.

Keep up the good work Danny.  We're all on the same side in here  

[bobzy]

25 minutes ago, BOF said:

I echo what @Stevo985 & @NurembergVillan have said.  We have learned something today.

Think you'll find I said that too.  What don't you understand about reading English?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Danny_Villaman84]

Thanks for supporting me all of you and understanding. 

Yeh i remember you in vital @Dr_Pangloss

@dukes, been pardon from me as his apologies is good. Not your fault, as u didn't aware these. 

So we better Move on. Let all back on topic I will left notice there in future ref or i put post about basic.

If u want learn more about me or language i could drop video.

@Xela Understanding, that reason i try drag away main thread to off topic as felt not right as felt tense when should banter better. That why i created off topic to defuse that tense.

[Mandy Lifeboats]

Hi Danny, 

A truly thought provoking and humbling post. 

I have never noticed your posts before you began this thread. I jumped to the conclusion that you weren't English. Reading the reason why it seems that way genuinely made me think. Good on you for raising this. 

Ps- my English is poor because I was born and raised in Wolverhampton. 

Edited November 27, 2017 by Mandy Lifeboats
Speeling mishsteaks

[8pints]

This is American Sign Language but I've used it to highlight the meeting of languages.

 

@Danny_Villaman84

 

 

 

P.S....I'm

Edited November 27, 2017 by 8pints

[Danny_Villaman84]

I wonder how do gif on i try and it is kept popping up link rather pic. 

Yeh, all these is asl :-) i am understand some asl.

 I find some good YouTube link bsl but how emblem it? I know how used it in vital villa but it is not work on villa talk. 

[Xela]

3 minutes ago, Danny_Villaman84 said:

I wonder how do gif on i try and it is kept popping up link rather pic. 

Yeh, all these is asl :-) i am understand some asl.

 I find some good YouTube link bsl but how emblem it? I know how used it in vital villa but it is not work on villa talk. 

Gifs - right click on the gif, choose copy image then when on VT just right click and 'paste and match style'

Youtube links embed - just copy the address link into your post. 

[Danny_Villaman84]

I been try it and didnt work (on chromebook) i will try it later again when i use laptop

Edited November 27, 2017 by Danny_Villaman84

[Chindie]

This is really fascinating. I've never really understood how sign language would work, just the practicalities of being able to move your hands in such a way that conveys the intricacies of language always seemed impossible to me. As it is it seems the answer is it doesn't, but works out a way that makes it work.

And I'd never thought of how someone who has learnt to speak with sign language as a first language would then approach the written word - is never dawned on me that I'm that situation your native language when written down basically has completely different syntax and grammar.

My girlfriend knows a bit of ASL but we've never really discussed it. Thanks to @Danny_Villaman84 I've had my eyes opened and think that's something I'll learn about. It's good to see the world with someone else's eyes.

[PompeyVillan]

This is a deficiency in the collective knowledge and education in this country. 

If everyone was taught more about this sort of thing then there would be better understanding.