LondonLax Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Air defence rockets were fired. Is there independent confirmation that Russian missiles were actually fired? If I were Ukraine I’d 100% spice things up a bit if foreign leaders who were siding with Russia showed up in town. Might get them to think twice about their stance on the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: Air defence rockets were fired. Is there independent confirmation that Russian missiles were actually fired? If I were Ukraine I’d 100% spice things up a bit if foreign leaders who were siding with Russia showed up in town. Might get them to think twice about their stance on the war. I somehow doubt that Ukraine would waste AA missiles to scare a nation's leader that has more debt\issues than Russia. What are they going to get from SA? T-72's with less upgrades than Russia's? South Africa, even if it put its weight behind Russia is a crumbling nation pretty much like Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, magnkarl said: I somehow doubt that Ukraine would waste AA missiles to scare a nation's leader that has more debt\issues than Russia. What are they going to get from SA? T-72's with less upgrades than Russia's? South Africa, even if it put its weight behind Russia is a crumbling nation pretty much like Russia. SA and other African leaders are there on a peace mission not to supply arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, bickster said: SA and other African leaders are there on a peace mission not to supply arms Yep seen it, being peacefully shot at by Russia their buddy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted June 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, bickster said: SA and other African leaders are there on a peace mission not to supply arms Indeed and they're also meant to be holding talks with Putin (spit) in St Petersburg tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 19 hours ago, avfc1982am said: Apparently Kadyrov has come out and saiid he has spoken to him now. Shame. There's always next time. It would be very easy for general Tik Tok to come online and shoot at some trees like every day before his units got blasted by HIMARS, so take what the rabid dog is saying with a mountain of salt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted June 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2023 War has 'demilitarised' Ukraine - Putin Russia's invasion of Ukraine has already led to Ukraine's "demilitarisation - an objective named by Moscow at the start of the war. "As regards demilitarisation, look, Ukraine will soon completely stop using its own hardware," he tells the economic forum in St Petersburg. Kyiv has "nothing left", he declares. "One cannot fight for too long like that. Do you understand?" Putin says. BBC News 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielesibub Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, trekka said: War has 'demilitarised' Ukraine - Putin Russia's invasion of Ukraine has already led to Ukraine's "demilitarisation - an objective named by Moscow at the start of the war. "As regards demilitarisation, look, Ukraine will soon completely stop using its own hardware," he tells the economic forum in St Petersburg. Kyiv has "nothing left", he declares. "One cannot fight for too long like that. Do you understand?" Putin says. BBC News oh crap with that logic the UK has nothing left, we've run out of a shed load of things.... PANIC!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, trekka said: Indeed and they're also meant to be holding talks with Putin (spit) in St Petersburg tomorrow. Apparently they’ve asked to meet that African volunteer soldier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, trekka said: Is he building a case to withdraw, Objective met? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, tinker said: Is he building a case to withdraw, Objective met? Or it could just be intended for the home audience to claim things are going to plan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid4ever Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, bielesibub said: oh crap with that logic the UK has nothing left, we've run out of a shed I bet @sidcowwas playing the long game on future pricing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just read something appalling about what Russians have been doing to Ukrainian POWs. Too barbaric and sickening to repeat There is genocide happening right now and the West is not doing enough to stop it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Captain_Townsend said: Just read something appalling about what Russians have been doing to Ukrainian POWs. Too barbaric and sickening to repeat There is genocide happening right now and the West is not doing enough to stop it. What do you propose? Boots on the ground? Air attacks? End game is mutual destruction of NATO push too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, sidcow said: What do you propose? Boots on the ground? Air attacks? End game is mutual destruction of NATO push too hard. NATO make it extremely clear worldwide and via information to the Russian people they will return ukraines borders back to that of early 2022. They will not set foot in Russia or crimea. Give Russia 2 weeks notice. Russia will threaten, but in the end they will do nothing because it’s complete and utter suicide for them. As with the 4,000,000 other times they’ve threatened to use nukes. due to it being an oligarchs playground, crimea may be a different story and that’s potentially up the to Ukrainians to retake. Edited June 18, 2023 by pas5898 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 45 minutes ago, pas5898 said: NATO make it extremely clear worldwide and via information to the Russian people they will return ukraines borders back to that of early 2022. They will not set foot in Russia or crimea. Give Russia 2 weeks notice. Russia will threaten, but in the end they will do nothing because it’s complete and utter suicide for them. As with the 4,000,000 other times they’ve threatened to use nukes. due to it being an oligarchs playground, crimea may be a different story and that’s potentially up the to Ukrainians to retake. 2 weeks notice or what? NATO and the rest of the world have urged them to stop and return home. A NATO ultimatum will be every bit as empty as the Russian warnings and they know it. The West are pushing fine margins as it is supplying better and better kit to Ukraine. It's horrible what's going on but NATO or The West can't get directly involved. Russia are already moving Nuclear Weapons into Belarus. Putin is likely toast already, he may decide to take the world down before he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 18, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, sidcow said: 2 weeks notice or what? NATO and the rest of the world have urged them to stop and return home. A NATO ultimatum will be every bit as empty as the Russian warnings and they know it. The West are pushing fine margins as it is supplying better and better kit to Ukraine. It's horrible what's going on but NATO or The West can't get directly involved. Russia are already moving Nuclear Weapons into Belarus. Putin is likely toast already, he may decide to take the world down before he goes. Putin doesn't fire missiles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 The west is not doing enough against Putin.It should be made abundantly clear to him that the west WILL NOT take any more crap from.Stop the murder of civilians and retreat back to the Russian borders ( pre 1950 ) or else they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. What the west,and NATO seem to be forgetting is that Hitler took Austria,then Hungry,then Poland.Anyone see a similar pattern here ?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 18, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: The west is not doing enough against Putin.It should be made abundantly clear to him that the west WILL NOT take any more crap from.Stop the murder of civilians and retreat back to the Russian borders ( pre 1950 ) or else they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. What the west,and NATO seem to be forgetting is that Hitler took Austria,then Hungry,then Poland.Anyone see a similar pattern here ?! Well yes but then again no. There is a parallel for sure but whilst Georgia and Chechnya are Austria and Czechoslovakia, that makes Ukraine Poland in this situation, where the Allies / West said enough is enough and didn't stand-by. But unlike WW2, the place of Russia in the invasion of Poland is taken by Belarus and this time the Allies / West are by far the more superior equipped but here's the crucial difference. Poland had defensive treaties with France and the UK. The modern equivalent of that would be NATO I guess but Ukraine weren't able to join. And that is crucial because NATO has no reason to put boots on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I read what you are saying,but what I meant was that there is no reason to beleive that Putin will stop at Ukraine.In other words he is Hitler #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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