bickster Posted October 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2022 Now being reported in Ukrainian and Russian press (various outlets), though nothing confirmed the following is being said Two maybe three ships attacked, all capable of firing Kaliber cruise missiles (so not small ships) Russians seem to be reporting at least two sunk Reports also claim one of the ships is the Admiral Makarov (A frigate) which became the de facto flagship of the Black Sea FLeet after the sinking of the Moskva. Russias Black Sea Fleet isn't doing so well There's also another onboard video out there of a USV being attacked by a patrol boat AND a helicopter (they failed miserably) which does give an indication of how fast these are, it appoached a small fishing boat and just almost flies past it, so the speculation that they are based on a Jet Ski engine seems highly accurate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, bickster said: Two maybe three ships attacked, all capable of firing Kaliber cruise missiles (so not small ships) Russians seem to be reporting at least two sunk That would be amazing if confirmed. A couple of questions. 1. Is Turkey allowing Russian Navy ships to enter the Black Sea? 2. If Russia fires Cruise Missiles from the Mediterranean would they be able to reach Ukraine without passing over NATO territory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: 1. Is Turkey allowing Russian Navy ships to enter the Black Sea? They allow through Military vessels If their home port ins in the Black Sea (or Sea of Azov presumably). So if it was a ship of the RUssian Black Sea Fleet, yes but not any other Russian ships 4 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: 2. If Russia fires Cruise Missiles from the Mediterranean would they be able to reach Ukraine without passing over NATO territory? Nope not a chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Is this the first proper use of an use with an actual effect in combat? I’m wrecking my brain trying to figure out if anything like this has been done before.. In any case, don’t mess with the Ukrainian tech nerd squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Is this the first proper use of an use with an actual effect in combat? I’m wrecking my brain trying to figure out if anything like this has been done before.. In any case, don’t mess with the Ukrainian tech nerd squad. It depends on your definition. Many navy battles throughout history have used fireships to break up enemy formations and attack ships in harbours. They were simply filled with powder or combustible material and set adrift towards the enemy. Torpedoes are essentially an unmanned submarine which can be guided. During WW2 both Italy and the UK manned submarines that were abandoned just before hitting their target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, Mandy Lifeboats said: During WW2 both Italy and the UK manned submarines that were abandoned just before hitting their target. During WW2 the Italians used small submarines to attack British Ships in Gibraltar and Malta. They became experts in the field. But as the war progressed they were captured. As soon as Italy changed sides a British Navy Admital rounded them all up from POW camps and gave them back all their captured equipment. They spent the rest of the war attacking German shipping and coastal defences. Their contribution was never fully recognised due to the desire to keep the technology secret and the amount of Allied shipping they destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: During WW2 both Italy and the UK manned submarines that were abandoned just before hitting their target. How does that work in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: How does that work in practice. It’s pretty simple in theory. See the image below for the British Chariot. You steer it close to the target and fix the controls. The crew swim to land or are picked up by a second craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 38 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: It’s pretty simple in theory. See the image below for the British Chariot. You steer it close to the target and fix the controls. The crew swim to land or are picked up by a second craft. Ah I see. I was envisioning a crew of 100 sailors trying to unscrew a hatch and swim clear as their Trafalgar class veered towards an enemy ship hull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 27/10/2022 at 17:01, Mandy Lifeboats said: A quick question for those who know more about weapons than me. is this a mobile Burger King for troop morale or something much more deadly made to blend into a city location? If it’s the later, what is it? Kill em' with calories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Ah I see. I was envisioning a crew of 100 sailors trying to unscrew a hatch and swim clear as their Trafalgar class veered towards an enemy ship hull Not quite. They would enter a protected harbour by shadowing a civilian ship. Once inside the defences one of the crew would place charges leaving the other to pilot the craft. The pilot pointed the sub at the target, locked the controls and swam away. Other members of the team would be outside the harbour where they would cut small holes in torpedo netting for their colleagues to slip through. The difficult part was ensuring divers were far enough away that they weren't killed by the shock wave. To allow for this the mini-sub was normally travelling a lot slower than a conventional torpedo. But it was inside the defensive perimeter and the target was stationary so speed wasn't an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Straggler Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 There is a cracking book, The Sinking of the Tirpitz that details all the different missions that went into sinking the German flagship during the second world war. One of the more ambitious ones did involve these tiny 1 or 2 man submarines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I see Russia has pulled out of the agreement to allow grain to leave Ukraine in response to having its arse kicked in the black sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Earlier in the war Lithuanian gave Ukraine some howitzers. Ukraine have returned them for servicing. Ukrainian records show they have been firing over 100 shells a day. Lithuanian can’t work out how. Their own troops can’t get anywhere close to that fire rate. These Ukrainians are resourceful people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Earlier in the war Lithuanian gave Ukraine some howitzers. Ukraine have returned them for servicing. Ukrainian records show they have been firing over 100 shells a day. Lithuanian can’t work out how. Their own troops can’t get anywhere close to that fire rate. These Ukrainians are resourceful people! Where there’s a will, there’s a way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Straggler said: There is a cracking book, The Sinking of the Tirpitz that details all the different missions that went into sinking the German flagship during the second world war. One of the more ambitious ones did involve these tiny 1 or 2 man submarines. What is the name of that book ? Im into WW II and would like to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 30, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 30, 2022 Ukraine claiming a rather high daily number of Russian servicemen killed yesterday. Just shy of a thousand (950). A high day is normally 500, a slow day is normally 250-300 Must have been some heavy fighting yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Earlier in the war Lithuanian gave Ukraine some howitzers. Ukraine have returned them for servicing. Ukrainian records show they have been firing over 100 shells a day. Lithuanian can’t work out how. Their own troops can’t get anywhere close to that fire rate. These Ukrainians are resourceful people! Or they have been fudging the records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Or they have been fudging the records Doubtful. The shot count dictates when the barrel requires servicing. If they have been inflating the figures it means they lost the equipment from service too early. Once it's reached its shot count it becomes inaccurate and potentially dangerous to the crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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