Genie Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, ender4 said: So Russia fighting back by taking out energy around the country with missiles. How come they suddenly have all these missiles they haven't used before? How bad is it for Ukraine seeing winter is coming. Will they be able to get power and heating up and running everywhere before the cold weather sets in? Bad times. I assume Russia will missile then again as soon as power is restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, ender4 said: So Russia fighting back by taking out energy around the country with missiles. How come they suddenly have all these missiles they haven't used before? How bad is it for Ukraine seeing winter is coming. Will they be able to get power and heating up and running everywhere before the cold weather sets in? Today's attacks were made from Tu-60 and Tu-90 aircraft flying North of the Caspian Sea. Reports are that 55 missiles were launched of which 44 were destroyed by Ukraine before they reached their target. One missile that was repelled landed on the territory of Moldova near the border with Ukraine (so Russia is firing them over another country to attack Ukraine) The newly supplied IRIS-T air defence systems that have recently been supplied by Germany proved to be 100% successful in destroying it's targets Moving forward, more modern air defence systems are being supplied to Ukraine and as more of these arrive, cruise missile attacks will become even less effective. Sweden today announced they'll be supplying their SAMP/T system and others are yet to be delivered. It is also noticeable that Russia is only seeming to use cruise missile when they are seeking revenge for a massively successful attack Ukraine has made on high value assets like the Kerch Bridge and the Black Sea Fleet. The attack on the BSF was intended to degrade Russia's ability to launch Kalibr Cruise missiles so Russia responded with a different set of cruise missiles from a different platform. They can't do this all the time because it's thought that their supplies of such missiles are very low now. It was thought that Russia had more Kalibr left in stockpiles than any other missile. What that means for the success of the attack on the BSF is anyone's guess right now but today would suggest that some damage was done and they don't want to risk the fleet in open waters 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 35 minutes ago, ender4 said: So Russia fighting back by taking out energy around the country with missiles. How come they suddenly have all these missiles they haven't used before? How bad is it for Ukraine seeing winter is coming. Will they be able to get power and heating up and running everywhere before the cold weather sets in? Russia never ran low on missiles. They have simply expended enough that they would be virtually defenceless if another conflict broke out. This is happening in many areas of the Russian Military. It is also rumoured that Iran has supplied more missiles. The winter will be hard for the Ukraine population. They will need to expend a lot of resources to distribute fresh water and generators to people in need. It’s going to be awful. It’s now at the stage where I think NATO needs to do something major to put Russia on the back foot. It’s too wet to fully utilise modern battle tanks. Training pilots takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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avfc1982am Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: Yesterday Russia lost a reported 500 men for 1 kilometer of ground north of Pisky, which they later withdrew from. There's very graphic videos of Ukraine just lobbing mortar rounds at assembly points and taking out 10+ Wagerites and Russian soldiers per shot. I have no idea why Russia keeps wanting to control a wasteland when they're close to losing their only valid supply lines in the North.. At this point most of Ukraine's artillerymen will be so good at targetting the land around them that they probably won't even have to look at where they're aiming. It's the Mannerheim Line all over again. I've seen reports the number of troops eliminated was up to 950 in a 4km radius around the airport involving a few hundred tanks too. Apparently, UA artillery absolutely smashed them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 2 hours ago, ender4 said: So Russia fighting back by taking out energy around the country with missiles. How come they suddenly have all these missiles they haven't used before? How bad is it for Ukraine seeing winter is coming. Will they be able to get power and heating up and running everywhere before the cold weather sets in? Well it’s technically a war crime for them to do this but as we’ve all seen that’s really not going to put them off doing something. Putin needs to end up in The Hague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 14 hours ago, desensitized43 said: Putin needs to end up in The Hague. Not just Putin, all of his senior military too. Won't happen of course, just like George W and Tony Blair were never held to account for the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, villa89 said: Not just Putin, all of his senior military too. Won't happen of course, just like George W and Tony Blair were never held to account for the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Bellingcat has already identified and named all the people that do the missile targeting in Russia. These guys won't ever be able to leave their country and will likely be hunted by Ukrainian secret police for the rest of their lives (Mossad style). What we're seeing now is the last remnants of Russian missiles being lobbed at an enemy which is shooting down 90% of them. Once NASAMs from Norway/US, the further two Iris T's, Italy/France/Sweden's SAMP's arrive I presume Ukraine will have all of their critical infrastructure locked down. The interesting thing in this war is that Ukraine is slowly but surely taking all of Russia's presumed strengths away from them. Artillery superiority? Ukraine. More active soldiers? Ukraine. Better tactics? Ukraine. Air superiority? Ukraine. For Russia this is turning into a series of extremely bloody withdrawals/routs where they lose the little operative equipment they have left, coupled with a generation of young Russian men who have their faces blown off by drone dropped VOG-grenades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 1, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 1, 2022 Another high Russian death count. 650 for the day. It's likely to be because the ill trained, poorly equipped mobilised are now at the front and do not have a clue. The death toll is daily at least 400 above what a normal count used to be in the previous weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted November 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, bickster said: Another high Russian death count. 650 for the day. It's likely to be because the ill trained, poorly equipped mobilised are now at the front and do not have a clue. The death toll is daily at least 400 above what a normal count used to be in the previous weeks. Very mixed emotions with these posts. Hopefully every Russian death takes us closer to the end of the war but also a tragedy that these innocent people are being sent to their deaths in their thousands on the whim of a mad man. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted November 1, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Very mixed emotions with these posts. Hopefully every Russian death takes us closer to the end of the war but also a tragedy that these innocent people are being sent to their deaths in their thousands on the whim of a mad man. Putin is a monster. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, bickster said: Putin is a monster. Agreed but he isn't that great at war which will ultimately be his downfall. I cling to the hope that Ukraine break the line somewhere soon, once they break through then it could be the start of the end. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to die to achieve this. Every single person on the battlefield has a family somewhere, its sad in 2022 we are back to all this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Agreed but he isn't that great at war which will ultimately be his downfall. I expect his legacy in Russia will be that he was fighting the entire western world and put up a great fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Genie said: I expect his legacy in Russia will be that he was fighting the entire western world and put up a great fight. Not if he's brought down from within. The new regime will want to paint him as an evil misguided despot to protect their own position in bringing him down. Edited November 1, 2022 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Not if he's brought down from within. The new regime will want to paint him as an evil misguided despot to protect their own position in bringing him down. That’s true but I think it’s separate. We look at it that he’s making a right meal of invading Ukraine. Putin is shit at war. Elsewhere (Russia) I expect it is being framed that Putin is taking on Ukraine, the US, Europe & NATO all at the same time and whilst he will probably ultimately lose he’s done an incredible job of landing a lot of hits and leaving them bloodied and bruised. Putin is amazing at war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Disorganised retreat. Watch to the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Xann said: Disorganised retreat. Watch to the end. Seen it yesterday. I think it's obvious those involved are not going to be taking part in any further battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 There are so many similarities between Hitler in WW2 and what is happening today. We are currently at the point where Hitler bombarded London with missiles despite his generals wanting to use them against military targets. it didn’t work then and it won’t work now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: There are so many similarities between Hitler in WW2 and what is happening today. Indeed, if only we had a coalition of nations, a "United Nations" if you will, that would command a huge, undefeatable army dedicated to stopping any pointless war like this one. Unfortunately we don't have anything like that in the world at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 43 minutes ago, sidcow said: 47 minutes ago, Genie said: I expect his legacy in Russia will be that he was fighting the entire western world and put up a great fight. Not if he's brought down from within. The new regime will want to paint him as an evil misguided despot to protect their own position in bringing him down. By the end of this war Russia will be finished economically. No imports or exports (of any note). I have a feeling it will be unworkable, nobody will want it. It has a chance the whole thing falls down, all the little countries might just leave, there is literally nothing to stop them anymore. If you replace Putin, what do you do ? No money and no investment chances at all. No gas or oil to sell unless capped, by sea. Most if not all of anyone with a brain has left. They can't do the Oil and Gas thing without western help anyway, they don't have the tools or people to keep it going. The Demographics of Russia means it was finished anyway, the war just speeds it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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