ccfcman Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 We could give it to a duck at this stage, just see how things go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Andre Villas-Boas please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynnchin84 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, Nicho said: Andre Villas-Boas please 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfcman Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, Nicho said: Andre Villas-Boas please Aston Villas-Boas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Gary Thomas said: Well this passage (and that last sentence esp) is not a glowing reference is it given our current weaknesses - no control in midfield, unable to dictate play, failing to press home early advantages...sounds very familiar. Hopefully he has learned a thing or two since it was written in 2011 https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked "Arguably one of the principal reasons Bruce is no longer in charge at the Stadium of Light concerns his apparent inability to tweak formations or tactics during matches. Whenever a rival manager re-configured his system mid-game.......if he failed to cut it as a tactician, the 50-year-old did not seem much of a strategist either. Including loans, 30 players were signed – several of whom have subsequently been moved on – during Bruce's two-and-a-half years on Wearside. That represents an unsettling "churn" factor and hardly proved conducive to developing either a clear playing philosophy or strong team spirit. Always rather amorphous, if not downright scrappy, Sunderland's high-tempo style lacked creativity, not to mention control, in central midfield. Unable to dictate play, the team frequently failed to press home early advantages. In fairness to Bruce he's managed to win promotion from the Championship twice since 2011. Louise Taylor the journalist is a good read but she is often way off the mark even though her specialist subjects are Newcastle, Sunderland and Andy Reid. He is the only manager to win Promotion 4 times. As an aside, only 4 foreign managers have ever won promotion Jokanovic and Karanka in the last 2 years. Before that Tigana and one RDM! Personally I want Wagner but if the Board go with Bruce I can see the logic in him being a safe bet to achieve promotion which has to be our primary goal. We are only 10pts off the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfcman Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Villastine said: In fairness to Bruce he's managed to win promotion from the Championship twice since 2011. Louise Taylor the journalist is a good read but she is often way off the mark even though her specialist subjects are Newcastle, Sunderland and Andy Reid. He is the only manager to win Promotion 4 times. As an aside, only 4 foreign managers have ever won promotion Jokanovic and Karanka in the last 2 years. Before that Tigana and one RDM! Personally I want Wagner but if the Board go with Bruce I can see the logic in him being a safe bet to achieve promotion which has to be our primary goal. We are only 10pts off the playoffs. Backed with a fortune for the Championship of that era, or at the very least some bizarre player ponzi scheme from Udinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 31 minutes ago, hippo said: In theory yes - but the Villa job has broken better men than Dean Smith over the years. He falls into the' promising but risky' category for me. In all the years Ive followed villa only John Gregory has been plucked from a small club and done well - and he had the advantage of having worked here before. In Fact when Gregory left Brian Little's Coaching staff (Alun Evans Defensive Coach - JG MF coach - BL manager & Forwards coach) we went peach shaped and BL was too soft with D Yorke/Savo/Collymore selection dilema. Gregory had the respect of the players - but that was a long time ago. BL nor JG would have the respect of our players of today. Bruce might - Wagner would probably just get on with his methods and the respect would come from his man management ability and not reputation. P.S. My golf-mate (who's a teaching Pro) says to me all the time. These rich *****/Millionaires who wanna learn to play Golf dont listen to him and try to tell him how he should teach them. Can you imagine trying to tell a modern day Multi/Millionaire Footballer what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Honestly, I don't know what someone's nationality has to do with how talented a football manager they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, jon_c said: Honestly, I don't know what someone's nationality has to do with how talented a football manager they are? Agreed. (Unless they are English!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: Apologies for reposting part of my own post, but you should really read this why we should avoid Bruce from the Guardian. Aside from the support it give my argument, I feel like that entire list of events from the end of his reign at Sunderland would simply be repeated if he joined Villa - right down to the excuse about the fans not accepting him because he was a Geordie, only this time it'd be because he used to manage the blues. It's only fair to point out that in the 4 seasons since that Grauniad article, Bruce has been promoted from the Chumpionship twice. Now I grant you the 15/16 promotion was due to the 14/15 relegation, but I think with it being Hull City, we'll allow him that. As for the sha link. It doesn't seem to be as prominent in discussions as it was with McLeish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 46 minutes ago, Nicho said: Andre Villas-Boas please Unless we are joining a one horse race league then I couldn't think of anyone worse. The football played at Spurs was beyond boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, BOF said: It doesn't seem to be as prominent in discussions as it was with McLeish. Because as I've always maintained it wasn't where he came from that was the big issue. Which is why there are people calling for Rowett and nobody reacting to those calls. It was too easy to say it was the ex Small Heath thing, sure it was a factor, the main issues though were his dog awful football, recent relegation and utterly awful management including seemingly not actually understanding their predicament on the last day of the season. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, TrentVilla said: Because as I've always maintained it wasn't where he came from that was the big issue. Which is why there are people calling for Rowett and nobody reacting to those calls. It was too easy to say it was the ex Small Heath thing, sure it was a factor, the main issues though were his dog awful football, recent relegation and utterly awful management including seemingly not actually understanding their predicament on the last day of the season. Yep I understand. The main problem with McLeish was that he is a shit manager, but the element that was anti-sha was more prominent with him too, even allowing for that. Maybe the 2 were linked and the former re-inforced the latter. I dunno. Obviously the meeja jumped on it, which they will with Bruce too, completely regardless of how true it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, HeyAnty said: And that is exactly why Bruce wont get the job. I don't really think he is in contention for it, else he would already have been signed up. why we should avoid Bruce Barring an earthquake - Bruce will be given the job next week. (IMO) Edited October 5, 2016 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, hippo said: Barring an earthquake - Bruce will be given the job next week. We will see. I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, TrentVilla said: We will see. I have my doubts. I think Wagner won't come. Xia won't want to gamble on Dean Smith and Lee Johnson. Bruce would get the nod over Steve Clarke. You heard summat then Trent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, BOF said: Yep I understand. The main problem with McLeish was that he is a shit manager, but the element that was anti-sha was more prominent with him too, even allowing for that. Maybe the 2 were linked and the former re-inforced the latter. I dunno. Obviously the meeja jumped on it, which they will with Bruce too, completely regardless of how true it is. But the media are eejits! They make it up as they go along, as evidence by Sky reporting Di Matteo was safe in his job on Sunday when he got sacked on Saturday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackbigron Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I would give Big Sam a call, after all he is available and if we had got him last year we might (though unlikely) have stayed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, hippo said: Barring an earthquake - Bruce will be given the job next week. (IMO) I really don't think he will. Its lazy Journalism to an extent, him being out of a job the odds are going to be skewed also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: I really don't think he will. Its lazy Journalism to an extent, him being out of a job the odds are going to be skewed also. But who is in a job - with more experience and promotions than Bruce ? Wagner looks like he's out of the picture. I can't see compo being paid for someone whose track record isn't as good as Bruce.. The only feasible (at a push) manager I would pay for would be Dyche. Edited October 5, 2016 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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