tonyh29 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Papers refused ... nice attempt to make it sound like Nazi Germany , at no point did she say this Whilst I can sympathise with her fears and anxiety , she Isn’t being kicked out even with No Deal ....clause 4 of the Immigration Bill protects the rights of EU citizens resident in the UK and The government has made many statements signalling an intent to protect the rights of those living in the UK prior to exit day. ( though tbf governments say many things ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: clause 4 of the Immigration Bill protects the rights of EU citizens resident in the UK No, it doesn't. Even if it did, it is a bill. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Papers refused ... nice attempt to make it sound like Nazi Germany , at no point did she say this She says "they said my national insurance didn't correspond to the right thing and now I have to start the whole process...but the 31st October is fast approaching...what am I going to do?" You quibble on technicalities. The import of what she says is clear. It is entirely equivalent to papers being refused. Please don't try to cover up what is happening by quibbling about whether a quote has been transcribed precisely enough for your liking, when the consequence is the same (you are not wanted here, go back to your own country). But yes, it is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in too many ways (see today's Prospect article), not least the number of middle class numpties who think it willl all happen to someone else, not them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 29, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 29, 2019 Quote Tory grandee Ken Clarke: I'd be prepared to back Jeremy Corbyn as caretaker PM Former chancellor Ken Clarke tells Sky News he would support the Labour leader - provided he could be kept "under control". Sky News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, bickster said: Sky News How patronising. This from the patrician who wrongly believed he was right to facilitate Thatcher and all the evil she did, because he foolishly thought she could be brought to heel by him and his wealthy chums. Wrong then, wrong now. Roll up your tobacco in your soiled hush puppies and smoke it. Though it does pose a question for Jo Swinefever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2019 Ken Clarke is quite safe in the knowledge that there's not a cat in hell's chance Corbyn will be a caretaker PM nor will there be a GNU, regardless of it being a decent idea at a time of bad ones, so it's rather like him saying he's ok with Johnson deciding he wants to be an elephant tomorrow. It isn't going to happen so Ken Clarke's opinion on it is less than useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, peterms said: She says "they said my national insurance didn't correspond to the right thing and now I have to start the whole process...but the 31st October is fast approaching...what am I going to do?" You quibble on technicalities. The import of what she says is clear. It is entirely equivalent to papers being refused. Please don't try to cover up what is happening by quibbling about whether a quote has been transcribed precisely enough for your liking, when the consequence is the same (you are not wanted here, go back to your own country). But yes, it is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in too many ways (see today's Prospect article), not least the number of middle class numpties who think it willl all happen to someone else, not them. No i quibble on reporting with no attempt of establishing the full picture , same as some others usually do / used to do ... she said there was a problem with her national insurance number and she’d have to restart the process ... the government web site refers to a deadline of Dec 2020 for this process of settled status ( June 2021 if we have a deal ) .... 31st October doesn’t even come into play , but then you already knew that didn’t you ... it could have been as simple as she wrote the wrong NI number on the form for all we know , unless you’ve seen some more Information elsewhere ? I get her anxiety , I’d like to think it’s easily resolved , though acknowledge previous form suggests her fears could be founded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted August 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2019 As an observer of EU nationals that are currently working here, I can appreciate they are getting some very conflicting messages. Leave to stay or settled status or whatever is a change, they didn’t need it and now they do. Change is a stress. The one message is that its just a formality and they’ve got a year to fill in a form. That sounds easy enough to me, from where I’m sitting, as a middle aged born n bred local with 20 years of photos of my garden. But then you have Patel as Home Secretary giving out a very different message. Sorry, but if you’re a 24 year old Portuguese with english as a second language there’s a really negative message there. A message that as of 8 weeks time if you go home to see your mum, we might give you a hard time getting back in. Intelligent busy skilled people don’t need that shit. Nasty small minded bastards, this Tory government. That shouldn’t come as a surprise, its their default setting. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Regarding the Portuguese woman, if you live in a EU country for 15+ years and you registered and paid tax and do what you are supposed to do you can apply and get a Passport of the European country you live in. I know this is true becasue I did it not so long ago, I have a Dutch and English passport now. It was really, really easy. I was actually supposed to, with 3 other people in the village get it given to me by the mayor in a little reception in the council house (Photos and stuff and get in the paper) but there was a emergency on that day and it couldn't be done. (But, that is a nice thing to do I think?) I don't know the full story with her but the EU thing did / does have this benefit for all as far as i know so it seems odd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted August 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2019 The above three charts are from an article on Medium, Three charts that sum up the UK’s craziness right now The first one shows that No Deal is not wanted by the majority, The second one from the time of the referendum shows that the people who actually thought we'd get a deal were the Leavers not the remainers and the third shows the changing attitude to immigration over the last few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, bickster said: What is an 'acceptable compromise' about No Deal!?!?!?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, bickster said: The above three charts are from an article on Medium, Three charts that sum up the UK’s craziness right now The first one shows that No Deal is not wanted by the majority, The second shows how thick leave voters are and third shows the changing attitude to immigration over the last few years Corrected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tonyh29 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, bickster said: Guess that puts to bed the argument everyone that voted leave is a racist then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Guess that puts to bed the argument everyone that voted leave is a racist then Were you arguing with yourself over it? because no-one else said it It has been said that every racist voted to leave but hey ho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted August 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Regarding the Portuguese woman, if you live in a EU country for 15+ years and you registered and paid tax and do what you are supposed to do you can apply and get a Passport of the European country you live in. I know this is true becasue I did it not so long ago, I have a Dutch and English passport now. It was really, really easy. Not all countries allow dual nationality. For example, Dutch nationals automatically lose their dutch nationality when voluntarily acquiring another (with a few exceptions - see their webpage). Quote Automatic loss of Dutch nationality You can lose your Dutch nationality automatically. For example, if you voluntarily acquire another nationality or if you sign a declaration renouncing your Dutch nationality. ... There is also a Factsheet Could I lose my Dutch nationality automatically? And how can I avoid this?, which explains all you need to know about losing your Dutch nationality automatically. And how to avoid doing so. Not least are there some practical aspects to this such as the above, there is also the choice of doing it and I really think the 'should have got naturalised' argument is incredibly weak. Also, I think you need to factor in the cost of acquiring British citizenship (£1,330 for the application plus other costs on top). People from the EU moved to this country as EU citizens with treaty rights. They made their lives here, made their home, lived, loved, had families, &c. and now they are being required to apply for permission to remain in their own homes and continue in their jobs, &c. having been told over and over again that nothing would change and that they were guaranteed not to be in a worse position. If it were simply an automatic transfer of those rights (i.e. not an application but a registration) then there wouldn't be anywhere near as much of an issue. I personally have a difficulty with the political look of a mass registration scheme but I'm just taking that from the complaints and comments I've seen from individuals and groups8. *Edit: Obviously, some individuals and groups directly involved. Edited August 30, 2019 by snowychap 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) A bit more info: I'm assuming that means that he views the originally scheduled 6th September hearing as the substantive one? Edit: Edited August 30, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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