Chindie Posted September 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, Davkaus said: I don't see why the EU are being so unreasonable about this. Just give us everything we want, and we'll be on our way. I didn't know David Davis posted on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 33 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I don't see why the EU are being so unreasonable about this. Just give us everything we want, and we'll be on our way. (it's supposedly a kitchen sink being thrown) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2017 The Department for Exiting the EU has apparently done some impact studies of Brexit on 50 industries. They won't release them. Their argument is that won't outhouse a running commentary or do anything to affect the negotiations. ... Just me that thinks if those studies came back as good (...haha) they'd be shouting them from the rooftops and building up the propaganda to influence the negotiations, then? Today's Express headline is a corker too. Thank god we're leaving the EU! OK guys. Let's see what happens when the jobs start going... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Chindie said: Hammond claims we want a bespoke deal that basically means our financial services sector is allowed to service the EU, and that we won't accept anything that aims to prevent that. Great Hammond. Unfortunately I don't think it's our choice to decide what deal at get from the EU, so you can say you won't accept out all you want... I also would be worried in his shoes that the rest of the EU is effectively wooing as many insurers and banks as they can to grab a few jobs. He also thinks the talks with the EU have gone well and it's only media spin saying they haven't. Except there's quite a lot of quotes, Mr Hammond, from Barnier, implying and outright saying it's been a farce so far. I think the spin might be closer to home... Just wondering the wording here, it can be taken two ways . Did you mean effectively as in that's what they are basically trying to do, or that's what they are doing and it's working. If you mean the latter it appears to be failing Reuters UK still top of financial centres extending it's lead over New York Like how they add despite Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, colhint said: Just wondering the wording here, it can be taken two ways . Did you mean effectively as in that's what they are basically trying to do, or that's what they are doing and it's working. If you mean the latter it appears to be failing Reuters UK still top of financial centres extending it's lead over New York Like how they add despite Brexit. They are trying and they are gaining jobs. A number of banks have in the last couple of months announced plans to shift jobs to the continent and insurers have followed suit. Nobody is saying that London will cease to be a global finance hub, but it's undeniable jobs are and will continue to go. Which isn't good. Also should be noted that that story relies on a June study. It was only in March it even became completely clear Brexit would happen, with the (stupid) A50 commencement. Meaning only a couple of months were nothing much happened to get some idea of possible Brexit impact. With each day the potential impact gets clearer and more businesses are taking note and making plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Looks like May's speech in Florence on Thursday is going to be the marker for how this is going to play out. Doubling down on the current nonsense - in April 2019 the ports and within a couple of weeks, the rest of the country will be a chaotic mess. Pulling back a bit and looking at remaining in the EEA - things will probably be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Looks like May's speech in Florence on Thursday is going to be the marker for how this is going to play out. Doubling down on the current nonsense - in April 2019 the ports and within a couple of weeks, the rest of the country will be a chaotic mess. Pulling back a bit and looking at remaining in the EEA - things will probably be fine. May will give a speech. They'll quickly try to gauge how it played, both the actual content and the wavering, weedy, scared but cruel delivery. Then we'll be told what it actually 'meant'. Tough lines on security will actually have meant we want to co-operate fully. No deal will actually mean a better deal for everyone. What the people want will actually mean what keeps this party bumping along slightly ahead of labour. Immigration a problem for you? 3,700,000 foreign workers in the UK in 2016 according to the Office of National Statistics. ONS 1,480,000 Solid British Unemployed waiting to pick up the slack. We're all getting mahoosive pay rises and a choice of jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Boris is back with his debunked £350m a week bullshit again. Put the man in a padded room for his own safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Boris is back with his debunked £350m a week bullshit again. Put the man in a padded room for his own safety. He fully and completely aware is bullshit. It's a play to get push his position for PM when May is sacrificed. The entire article is apparently full of Brexit wish fulfillment and shitty 'it's just not British'/ 'Remain voters and those with concerns are the enemy' nudges and winks. Boris is just another evil Tory desperate for power and glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Quote Brexit is about the rich Rees-Moggs of Britain, not anyone else To get to the dark heart of Brexit, ask who benefits? The tiny cabal who might conceivably prosper from Brexit tell you exactly why we must continue to resist it. If you are puzzled, as you should be, by the question: what can Leavers possibly imagine to be the benefits of Brexit? you need to remember another question, the one that guides detectives in their criminal investigations... Cui bono? Who benefits? Whose interests would be served by Brexit? Let’s see. A Brexit Britain, struggling on its own in a world economy already tied up in many existing trade deals among the many EU-like trading blocs that have come into existence in emulation of the EU itself, would be forced to become a low-tax, low-regulation economy to attract inward investment. So our question becomes: who in the UK would benefit from a low-tax, low-regulation economy? Well, it would not be people who benefit from the existence of the NHS, state education, welfare, and the regulations that protect employee rights and the environment – a Sunderland car worker, for example. Such things need sufficient tax revenues and pooled resources. A low-tax economy therefore would not, because it could not, benefit those who rely on what taxes pay for. It would instead benefit people who do not use the NHS because they have private medical insurance, who do not need a state education system because they educate their children privately, who will never need welfare because they are rich, who object to not being able to sack their employees easily, who do not care if city air quality is bad because they have houses in the country, who do not care if our beaches are dirty because they can take their holidays in exotic locations abroad. People like Jacob Rees-Mogg, for example. Now I do not object to Rees-Mogg or anyone else having medical insurance and educating their children privately. That is their legitimate choice. But I object to them not wishing to pay the taxes that fund the NHS and education system, I object to them not caring whether there is an excellent NHS and state education system, and whether there is welfare provision and a regulatory landscape that protects employees and the environment. These are all things that a civilized community should care about in the interests of everyone. But people who want a low-tax deregulated UK are caring only about their own pockets, let the rest go hang. New European 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) The immigration card that the Tories keep repeating is starting to get tiresome. All four countries outside the Union in the EEA all have immigration levels above most of the EU states per 1000 inhabitants. Would it hurt Davis to do some research? The below table shows amount of immigrants per 1000 inhabitants in 2015. Source Edited September 16, 2017 by magnkarl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I assume that the population of Luxembourg doubled that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: I assume that the population of Luxembourg doubled that year. Yeah, remove the two first countries on that graph as they're tiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 BBC reporting that Oliver Robbins has moved from Dept for Exiting the EU to the Cabinet Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 18, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2017 Rumoured to have been at odds with Davis. Head screwed on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 18, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2017 DAG retweeted something interesting earlier. People seem to have noticed that David Davis seems to be losing senior members of his department at a rate of knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Quote The Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts the outlook for the UK economy and the public finances; these forecasts have been adopted by the chancellor as the government’s own. They contain an allowance of almost £250m per week — not £350m — for funding that could in principle go to the NHS rather than the EU. But this would involve no state support for any other activities, such as subsidies for agriculture, that are at present funded in the UK by the EU. The bigger picture is that the forecast health of the public finances was downgraded by £15bn per year — or almost £300m per week — as a direct result of the Brexit vote. Not only will we not regain control of £350m weekly as a result of Brexit, we are likely to make a net fiscal loss from it. Those are the numbers and forecasts which the government has adopted. It is perhaps surprising that members of the government are suggesting rather different figures. Carl Emmerson - Institute of Fiscal Studies The word is that Boris is looking to get sacked, he wants to leave the mess he's made to May. What a gent. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/16/2017 at 11:20, chrisp65 said: wavering, weedy, scared but cruel delivery. I think you are giving her a bit too much credit there mate She a lot more Mrs Overall than she is Mrs Thatcher that's for sure, without the macaroons obviously. She burnt them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Fantastic brexit...bloody fantastic brexit...rah rah. Edited September 20, 2017 by snowychap Spelling and other problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 On 9/16/2017 at 05:20, chrisp65 said: Immigration a problem for you? 3,700,000 foreign workers in the UK in 2016 according to the Office of National Statistics. ONS 1,480,000 Solid British Unemployed waiting to pick up the slack. We're all getting mahoosive pay rises and a choice of jobs. Not sure if srs? If 3.7m foreign workers leave, then aggregate demand falls. Demand falls, places shut down, there are fewer jobs. Lump of labour fallacy, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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