Genie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 If it goes no-deal with the EU/ROI create and maintain the border to NI? Good luck to them with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Genie said: If it goes no-deal with the EU/ROI create and maintain the border to NI? Good luck to them with that... Good luck to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, bickster said: Good luck to who? A sarcastic good luck to EU/ROI as it'll be a pretty tricky border to maintain. Its a fairly big bargaining chip from the UK side I'd have thought to avoid that from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted October 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, bickster said: What happens if there is no NI Assembly? Because right now... How long has it been doing nothing for? 2 1/2 years. Yeah that was another thing that doesn't make sense with Johnson's deal... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Genie said: A sarcastic good luck to EU/ROI as it'll be a pretty tricky border to maintain. Its a fairly big bargaining chip from the UK side I'd have thought to avoid that from all sides. Both sides have no option as far as I'm aware, WTO rules insist on border checks I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, bickster said: Both sides have no option as far as I'm aware, WTO rules insist on border checks I think So if a deal is struck its UK managing border checks, whatever they are. If its no deal then its down to the EU to protect its ecosystem which I can't imagine they want to do for a second. Is that the correct assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Genie said: So if a deal is struck its UK managing border checks, whatever they are. If its no deal then its down to the EU to protect its ecosystem which I can't imagine they want to do for a second. Is that the correct assumption? Nope, if its no deal and we're reduced to WTO trading rules BOTH countries have to have border checks, so Johnson' is talking bollocks. If a WA is agreed under these terms, they can do whatever is in the WA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted October 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, bickster said: Nope, if its no deal and we're reduced to WTO trading rules BOTH countries have to have border checks, so Johnson' is talking bollocks. If a WA is agreed under these terms, they can do whatever is in the WA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Feels like I need to ramp up my Brexit planning by clearing a cupboard for bottled water, toilet roll and tins of beans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Genie said: bottled water, If there's one thing we're self sufficient in, it's water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, LondonLax said: There is some logic to what they are saying there. In the event of ‘No deal’ the EU will need a border at NI to protect its single market from the unregulated UK next door. Hence the UK Government is saying it would be crazy for the EU to go down the road of rejecting the UK ‘compromise’ on the basis that it doesn’t do enough to prevent customs checks in NI when the alternative requires the EU to construct a full border. I think what may happen under a ‘No deal’ scenario is that the EU holds off building a border and instead makes life for the UK as difficult as possible until the UK government agrees to come back to the negotiating table with a better proposal i.e. it could get very ugly. By all accounts, the UK deal proposal is pretty similar to the Irish no deal contingency plan. Both will result in a border. If you were Varadkar, if that is the end result why would you choose the optics of being the Taoiseach that willingly brought a border back to Ireland, rather than the one that dealt with the crisis and reacted quickly to the chaos brought about by the incompetent English politicians trying to hurt Ireland? Other countries have their own internal perceptions to think about as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, bickster said: If there's one thing we're self sufficient in, it's water I want Evian though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Genie said: I want Evian though Treasonous traitor, you should be proud of Buxton! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Genie said: Feels like I need to ramp up my Brexit planning by clearing a cupboard for bottled water, toilet roll and tins of beans. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Teresa May's deal was agreed in partnership with the EU and then came back to the UK to be rubber stamped, where it failed. Boris's deal doesn't have approval from the EU, Ireland or our MP's. So he could spend weeks negotiating with the EU only for it to be rejected when it is put in front of MP's anyway. Wouldn't it have made sense to either get it approved at home before putting in front of the EU or vice versa? This is just a waste of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2019 Only if you believe the proposals are there in good faith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Genie said: Teresa May's deal was agreed in partnership with the EU and then came back to the UK to be rubber stamped, where it failed. Boris's deal doesn't have approval from the EU, Ireland or our MP's. So he could spend weeks negotiating with the EU only for it to be rejected when it is put in front of MP's anyway. Wouldn't it have made sense to either get it approved at home before putting in front of the EU or vice versa? This is just a waste of paper. Would parliament be capable of agreeing ? you'd end up with a WA the equivalent of the car designed by Homer Simpson Thing with May's deal is that people got so fixated with the backstop they seem to have overlooked that vast amounts of the rest of it was abysmal as well ... its likely that if Johnson can get something agreed with the EU around the backstop that MP's will be so relieved that no deal has gone they will be too busy preparing for an election to worry about buyers remorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Would parliament be capable of agreeing ? you'd end up with a WA the equivalent of the car designed by Homer Simpson Thing with May's deal is that people got so fixated with the backstop they seem to have overlooked that vast amounts of the rest of it was abysmal as well ... its likely that if Johnson can get something agreed with the EU around the backstop that MP's will be so relieved that no deal has gone they will be too busy preparing for an election to worry about buyers remorse Well the only logical thing to do is put it to the people just like Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and a whole host of Brexiteers thought was a sensible thing to do in the lead up to the referendum. Wonder why the won't do that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: By all accounts, the UK deal proposal is pretty similar to the Irish no deal contingency plan. Both will result in a border. If you were Varadkar, if that is the end result why would you choose the optics of being the Taoiseach that willingly brought a border back to Ireland, rather than the one that dealt with the crisis and reacted quickly to the chaos brought about by the incompetent English politicians trying to hurt Ireland? Other countries have their own internal perceptions to think about as well. The argument put forward by one of the Europe reporters (for Sky or the Beeb) was that choosing to sign up to these things as part of an international treaty is something that Varadkar would not want to be seen to be doing. Having to do it (until some sort of agreement is concluded) because the UK have chosen to leave the EU and haven't accepted the negotiated WA (however bad it was) would be a lot easier 'optics'-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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