troon_villan Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Right manager at the wrong time perhaps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Just now, troon_villan said: Right manager at the wrong time perhaps. Would've been much better appointing someone of his ilk summer 2011 or 2012. We'd only had a couple of poor seasons back then, still had some good players in the squad and more importantly a pre season to implement ideas which he really needed rather than being parachuted in halfway through the season as some Big Sam type survival expert which he clearly wasn't, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 33 minutes ago, thabucks said: I personally believe Moyes peak was Everton 6 years ago now. He was on a hiding to nothing at Utd admittedly. You also in my eyes can't count what he did 14 years ago at PNE as any gauge of his suitability. Plus he looks like grounds Keeper Willy from the Simpsons but rather him than Bruce Hughton or Pearson. I would be amazed if Moyes was interested in managing a championship club, his stock isn't that low yet surely? Then again I remember when West Ham went down in 2011 they went straight out and got Big Sam in who could easily have got another prem job had he waited longer....maybe even here you could argue as it was McLeish summer. So maybe Moyes would take a more long term view in rebuilding us like he did Everton. I would be very surprised though, he has rejected us before during the Lerner era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 So he gets a free pass and you'll only judge him once he has 11 of his own players. The generosity towards this manager from some fans is amazing. Even fuckface Sherwood was given more time and transfers than Garde. I guess we'll be watching him in the Champions League with Porto, Roma, Leverkusen or some other mid level European club in a year or two. Shame 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Based on his post Swansea match interview and judging from his demeanour I'd say he knows he is going at some point and probably can't wait to be off but is rightly sticking around to get his pay off. I believe up until last week he did care but not anymore and I don't blame him. He has the look of the last 5 years worth of managers: utterly defeated. Things haven't gone well here, yes he has made mistakes and relied on players who don't care instead of dropping them but he has also been let down big time by gutless players who don't give one solitary **** between them and a cowardly board/owner who strung him out to dry as history repeats itself yet again as we embark on another search for another Lerner/players future scapegoat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The next manager, if we go down this line, is absolutely critical. The club should use this window to do everything they can to select and then entice the right man. It cannot be overstated how important this decision - it will determine the kind of squad we build, how we play and our future performances. To me this is the first real test for our 'new' board. I hope they are searching for someone to be in place for at least 3-4 years who will be given the backing to build a new squad that can get us out of the championship 'and' be competitive in the premier league when we return. A talented and hungry manager with something to prove please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Percy saying he's gone tomorrow with Pearson number 1 to take over in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jimzk5 said: Percy saying he's gone tomorrow with Pearson number 1 to take over in the summer. Get Pearson in now surely? Can he not manage this season with the terms of his Leicester exit or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I know he wouldn't want it but get Moyes i would, give him money and he'd build a good competitive squad. I'm sure he'll have better offers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samjp26 Posted March 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) If we bring Pearson in I'll give up on this footballing board before things even begin. Why are fans still calling for him to join? Extremely fickle, he was found out by the Leicester board who sacked him and not his coaching staff. He isn't the man to solve our long term issues, he would be an appointment made with no real diligence made and it's doing my head in seeing fellow fans wanting him for us. Edited March 20, 2016 by samjp26 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mantis Posted March 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2016 "Hull boss Steve Bruce is also on the short-list, but as a former manager of arch-rivals Birmingham City, the club’s hierarchy are mindful that his appointment could further alienate already angry fans." What they don't seem to realise is that it would alienate some fans because Bruce isn't a very good manager, not because he used to manage SHA. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 For me I've said since January people giving him a Free Pass were premature as were those calling for his head. Whilst it makes sense to have 'stability' Managers must, surely, ultimately be judged on results. And by that I don't just mean actual results of Matches but also overall performance quality, morale, spirit, motivation, desire, organisation, imagination, inspiration, and all the rest. I thought it fair to give the guy a run until the end of March, then, if he had been at least okay, consider him for the Championship (but still weigh him against other options). If we were not doing okay, then get shot and if at all possible get a new guy in place - whether openly or not - so the players can be assessed (and found out !) in a competitive environment rather than pre -season. To those that say there would be no point getting a new guy early that is my response - we surely would prefer someone to see these players up close and for real rather than in the Summer !!? In my view its about the right time to say Garde has NOT had a positive impact on any of the factors I describe - and his results have been absolutely catastrophic. We are Down, he cannot possibly hope to have as good a chance building those factors (which will certainly be with at least half the same players) as a new guy. Along with the Board changes it is now most definitely the time to remove him. Hopefully we get the new guy in in time to watch how the players then perform and train in the last 6 weeks of the season. With what is widely known anyway, this close up view will help. As for who, I think we all know whoever it is will be slated by some fans, and will be slated by most fans if they fail to get going well next year, and I think we all need to be a bit less clever and picky about who we have. Grayson, Bruce, Moyes, Rodgers,Pearson, etc....they all have plusses and minuses. We just have to hope whoever it is works well with the new set up. My guess is they will try and combine Championship experience with someone to be around to build the Club, Moyes and Grayson being the most likely. But get it done guys, times up ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimzk5 Posted March 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2016 Just now, samjp26 said: If we bring Pearson in I'll give up on this footballing board before things even begin. I'm the same. It would, once again be another lurch in change of direction at the club. Not to mention Pearson is an egotistical rocket polisher 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Just now, Mantis said: "Hull boss Steve Bruce is also on the short-list, but as a former manager of arch-rivals Birmingham City, the club’s hierarchy are mindful that his appointment could further alienate already angry fans." What they don't seem to realise is that it would alienate some fans because Bruce isn't a very good manager, not because he used to manage SHA. Have to agree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, troon_villan said: Right manager at the wrong time perhaps. Perhaps. Pearson on the other hand would just be the wrong manager full stop. Edited March 20, 2016 by Mantis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: The next manager, if we go down this line, is absolutely critical. The club should use this window to do everything they can to select and then entice the right man. It cannot be overstated how important this decision - it will determine the kind of squad we build, how we play and our future performances. To me this is the first real test for our 'new' board. I hope they are searching for someone to be in place for at least 3-4 years who will be given the backing to build a new squad that can get us out of the championship 'and' be competitive in the premier league when we return. A talented and hungry manager with something to prove please. Wouldn't you rather someone who had ALREADY proven something ? We can't keep being a test bed for people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mantis said: "Hull boss Steve Bruce is also on the short-list, but as a former manager of arch-rivals Birmingham City, the club’s hierarchy are mindful that his appointment could further alienate already angry fans." What they don't seem to realise is that it would alienate some fans because Bruce isn't a very good manager, not because he used to manage SHA. Steve Bruce has 3 promotions from that league, maybe 4 in two months time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Steve Bruce has 3 promotions from that league, maybe 4 in two months time. I'm not certain but wasn't only one in the last 10 years ?.....I'm not sure what he did there a long while back is all that relevant now, it has changed as much as Premier League has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, terrytini said: I'm not certain but wasn't only one in the last 10 years ?.....I'm not sure what he did there a long while back is all that relevant now, it has changed as much as Premier League has. Probably. In his defence he's been managing on merit in the premier league for most of the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Steve Bruce has 3 promotions from that league, maybe 4 in two months time. And 2 relegations along with a couple of sackings. Not exactly a world beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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