The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[bickster]

9 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

 

I don't think this is accurate. Might be that backups are enabled by default these days (which certainly wasn't the case a few years ago), but you do need to have backups enabled and stored somewhere other than your device

https://faq.whatsapp.com/618575946635920/?helpref=faq_content&cms_platform=android

Ta. Either way Lord Bethel still has his  

[Xann]

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‘They all knew’: Michelle Mone hits out at Rishi Sunak over PPE deals

Former Tory peer says government was aware of her involvement in PPE Medpro ‘from the very beginning’

Michelle Mone has condemned Rishi Sunak after he expressed concern at her admission she lied about involvement in a company that won lucrative deals during Covid, saying the government “knew about my involvement from the very beginning”.

After the former Conservative peer admitted in a BBC interview on Sunday that she had been untruthful in denying a connection to PPE Medpro, which made millions of pounds in profits over a contract to provide personal protective equipment, Sunak said No 10 was taking the case “incredibly seriously”.

In a furious response to the prime minister’s comments, Mone tweeted: “What is Rishi Sunak talking about? I was honest with the Cabinet Office, the government and the NHS in my dealings with them. They all knew about my involvement from the very beginning.”

Her comments place even greater pressure on ministers to explain what they knew about the affair, particularly Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary. The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, has already called for Gove to make a statement on Mone and PPE Medpro,

In the interview on Sunday, Mone said she had not told the truth about her involvement in the firm to protect her family from media attention. When it was put to her that she had admitted lying to the press, Mone replied: “That’s not a crime.”

Asked during a trip to Scotland about Mone’s admission, Sunak said: “The government takes these things incredibly seriously, which is why we’re pursuing legal action against the company concerned in these matters. That’s how seriously I take it and the government takes it.

“But it is also subject to an ongoing criminal investigation, and because of that, there’s not much further that I can add.”

Mone was made a Conservative peer by David Cameron in 2015, but has been on a leave of absence from the Lords since last year and is no longer in the party.

Speaking earlier on Monday, Lord Callanan, the energy efficiency minister, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that he hoped Mone would not return to the upper house.

Asked whether as a self-confessed liar she should come back, Callanan said: “I would hope that she would see sense.” Pressed on what he meant, he added: “I would hope that she would not be coming back to the House of Lords.”

Guardian investigations found Mone and her husband, Doug Barrowman, were involved with PPE Medpro, which was awarded contracts worth £203m in May and June 2020 after she approached ministers, including Gove, with an offer to supply PPE equipment.

Speaking to BBC One’s Sunday with Kuenssberg, Mone admitted that she and Barrowman, through their lawyers, repeatedly falsely denied they had any connection to PPE Medpro.

She said she regretted having done so: “We’ve done a lot of good but if we were to say anything that we have done that we are sorry for, and that’s … we should have told the press straight up, straight away, nothing to hide … I was just protecting my family. And again, I’m sorry for that, but I wasn’t trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. No one.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals

Sunak's taking it seriously?  

Course he is, last thing he wants is scrutiny of his own hand in the till.

[cyrusr]

1 minute ago, Xann said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals

Sunak's taking it seriously?  

Course he is, last thing he wants is scrutiny of his own hand in the till.

It seems she’s realised she is potted and is intent on taking everyone down with her.

What a shame  

[mjmooney]

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose.

The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who takes things that are yours and mine.

The poor and wretched don’t escape
If they conspire the law to break;
This must be so but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law.

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back.

(17th Century folk poem) 

[Follyfoot]

51 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose.

The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who takes things that are yours and mine.

The poor and wretched don’t escape
If they conspire the law to break;
This must be so but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law.

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back.

(17th Century folk poem) 

'Some say Maggie may, 

or others say Maggie may not, 

I can only say that when the time comes, 

I shall decide' 

'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.'

(Quote from the most iconic and strongest PM since the 2nd World War) 

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Follyfoot

[bickster]

I think we'll have to change the VT word filter as we’re going to have a new Representative for Wellingborough. Peter Bone subject to a recall petition and his electors have decided a new election should be held.

It'll be a big mountain to climb for Labour but they have won here before.

[Xann]

1 hour ago, Follyfoot said:

I'm desperately clinging to a past I feel cosy with.

They took advantage of your trust, and shat all over the country.

[chrisp65]

24 minutes ago, bickster said:

I think we'll have to change the VT word filter as we’re going to have a new Representative for Wellingborough. Peter Bone subject to a recall petition and his electors have decided a new election should be held.

It'll be a big mountain to climb for Labour but they have won here before.

It’s so difficult to keep up tories, which ones are sex pests, which ones are fraudsters, which ones are both. But there does appear to be a real problem with tories, one way or another they all appear to be perverts and thieves. Or in old fashioned knockabout political speak, scum.

This one was a flasher from memory? 

In crude terms, Labour need 10,000 voters to swap teams, be it because of policy, cost of living, small boats, or their MP getting his cock out. Surely the good folk of Wellingborough can’t vote for a flasher again?

Hopefully, Starmer can give one of his stirring Thatcher speeches and suggest he’s thinking about exposing himself, pending the results of a focus group. 

 

[Genie]

4 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

It’s so difficult to keep up tories, which ones are sex pests, which ones are fraudsters, which ones are both. But there does appear to be a real problem with tories, one way or another they all appear to be perverts and thieves. Or in old fashioned knockabout political speak, scum.

This one was a flasher from memory? 

In crude terms, Labour need 10,000 voters to swap teams, be it because of policy, cost of living, small boats, or their MP getting his cock out. Surely the good folk of Wellingborough can’t vote for a flasher again?

Hopefully, Starmer can give one of his stirring Thatcher speeches and suggest he’s thinking about exposing himself, pending the results of a focus group. 

 

This is much less than switched in Tamworth isn’t it?

[chrisp65]

1 minute ago, Genie said:

This is much less than switched in Tamworth isn’t it?

The other dynamic is whether Peter Boner would stand, potentially as an independent or reform candidate against a new tory candidate. That could be the ideal situation, split the pervert vote.

 

[bickster]

21 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

It’s so difficult to keep up tories, which ones are sex pests, which ones are fraudsters, which ones are both. But there does appear to be a real problem with tories, one way or another they all appear to be perverts and thieves. Or in old fashioned knockabout political speak, scum.

This one was a flasher from memory? 

In crude terms, Labour need 10,000 voters to swap teams, be it because of policy, cost of living, small boats, or their MP getting his cock out. Surely the good folk of Wellingborough can’t vote for a flasher again?

Hopefully, Starmer can give one of his stirring Thatcher speeches and suggest he’s thinking about exposing himself, pending the results of a focus group. 

 

Nothing of the sort will be required for this bye-election. I’d be amazed if the turnout was above 35%

[bickster]

It’s also good to see that the VT bollitics massive hasn’t lost their collective shit over Sunak’s Election this year comment like certain members of the press and the general public.

[chrisp65]

6 minutes ago, bickster said:

It’s also good to see that the VT bollitics massive hasn’t lost their collective shit over Sunak’s Election this year comment like certain members of the press and the general public.

It’s like having it finally revealed that bears shit in the woods.

 

[villan95]

 

 

[chrisp65]

It’s interesting isn’t it, the poll showing almost half of all voters in Wellingborough that would still vote tory, or extreme tory. Is that fear of Labour, or a genuine belief that the tories are doing a good job, need more time, or aren’t quite going hard enough?

It feels like one of those Joe vox pops would through up some interesting world views. The current tory portrays himself as a brexit hard man, and he exposes himself to junior colleagues. Yep, that’s the team for us. But perhaps with a bit more anger, a bit less empathy, and a bit less homage to the bloody NHS.

I worked in Wellingborough briefly, just a few months. Unusually, a few of the fit out crew were locals, actually living in the town. They had something of a siege mentality, we were being overrun. They would peer out of the window and spot a Big Issue seller that was not white and wearing a suit, ‘there’s one, there’s another one, look at that lot over there’. They appeared to be most worried about white replacement. Not poverty or job prospects, if you want it you’ll find work, if you work hard you’ll be rewarded. The problem, for them, was clear to see. I don’t know if they were representative of Wellingborough, but it wasn’t a place I gained any affection for. It was never on my list of places I’d live if I had to move.

That 47% could still vote Tory or Ref comes as no surprise. A Labour win here, will be thanks to the hard right splitting their own vote.

 

[peterw]

16 hours ago, bickster said:

I think we'll have to change the VT word filter as we’re going to have a new Representative for Wellingborough. Peter Bone subject to a recall petition and his electors have decided a new election should be held.

It'll be a big mountain to climb for Labour but they have won here before.

I think it may depend if peter Bone decides to run as an independent as that may squeeze the Tory vote. Plus its going to be in the winter which will potentially further squeeze the 'blue rinsed brigade vote'. If Labour say the right things and show their faces enough they could take the by-election.

[bickster]

36 minutes ago, peterw said:

I think it may depend if peter Bone decides to run as an independent as that may squeeze the Tory vote. Plus its going to be in the winter which will potentially further squeeze the 'blue rinsed brigade vote'. If Labour say the right things and show their faces enough they could take the by-election.

Traditionally its the Labour vote that is supposed to be shy of bad weather

I really don't think Bone standing or not will have any effect past a few hundred

Tories will be squeezed out by Reform standing and normal Tory voters sitting on their hands with a low turnout (I'd be shocked if it was over 35%)

Labour voters will be much more likely to vote because of the particular circumstances, also LibDems are also likely to lend their vote Labour in this bye-election as the LibDems are clearly the third party here

The real question for seats like this is what will the former Tory voters do come a General Election

[meregreen]

20 hours ago, Follyfoot said:

'Some say Maggie may, 

or others say Maggie may not, 

I can only say that when the time comes, 

I shall decide' 

'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.'

(Quote from the most iconic and strongest PM since the 2nd World War) 

 

 

 

Clement Attlee said no such thing. 

[bickster]

I just wish Maggie Thatcher could die all over again, it was a top night out

[meregreen]

2 minutes ago, bickster said:

I just wish Maggie Thatcher could die all over again, it was a top night out

I remember it well.It’s how my Grandad felt when Hitler topped himself.