hippo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: Yeah, that's how I see it. I don't think they would really want to change the rules so another VONC can be held at the drop of a hat. It's not a great thing to have, I think they want Bozza to do the the right thing so they don't have to. Their tack will be "we will do this on Monday so you're gone then if you don't resign by then" I think the 12 month gap is also silly though, as we've seen here very major things can happen shortly or even months after a defended VONC which materially changes things. Maybe another could be called but with a bigger majority threshold needed. What do other parties do? In other parties the leader would resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, bickster said: Its the committee itself not all the backbench MPs that can change the rules. Thats why they need to change the committee itself first But they don't. The premise is the new committee would be anti Boris - so more willing to change the rules. But the existing committee can change the rules of they wish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 6, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, bickster said: Its the committee itself not all the backbench MPs that can change the rules. Thats why they need to change the committee itself first There’s a committee now. They could change their rules. Changing some or all of the members of the committee is irrelevant in terms of what the committee is able to do, according to the various political geeks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, hippo said: In other parties the leader would resign. Yes I know, but presumably there are mechanisms in place in case they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 That cat has just mugged them right off on national TV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I think I have found a way Bozo can remain PM for the rest of his life. Suicide tonight. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, blandy said: There’s a committee now. They could change their rules. Changing some or all of the members of the committee is irrelevant in terms of what the committee is able to do, according to the various political geeks This is what was being reported by Peston earlier... Quote To state the obvious, if more than half of MPs wrote such letters, it would be obvious that the PM had lost the argument, so it would be tricky for him to say that a new vote was deeply unfair. The existing rules say there should be no further vote of confidence until next June, with the threshold for such a vote just 15% of Tory MPs.Such an emergency change in the rules of the '22 Committee is being actively canvassed and discussed by Conservative MPs, such is the gravity of the crisis they fear they face.The point is that unless they make that change at their meeting on Wednesday night, it is more-or-less impossible for the parliamentary stages of a leadership contest to be completed before Parliament rises for the summer in a fortnight. So for those MPs who want Boris Johnson to be forced out now, tonight's 1922 meeting is their last hope.What is more likely to happen however is that the '22 Committee, under the leadership of Sir Graham Brady, will launch new elections to the committee, which would take place next Wednesday. And then that new committee could change the leadership election rules the following Wednesday.But with MPs going on their holidays the following day, the PM could be confident of keeping his job at least through the summer recess.So tonight's '22 meeting will decide if the PM is at risk of being evicted in the coming few days, or whether his moment of truth will be deferred till the autumn. ITV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Mozzavfc said: It's beginning to look like a WWE storyline gove, patel, shapps and the rest of the cabinet stompin' a mudhole on johnson, raab and dories run down to the ring to help him, only to slap him with a 3D rees-mogg runs off like a scolded dog and leaves the ring in his limo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 6, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: This is what was being reported by Peston earlier... ITV Aye. The committee as it stands is quite able to change their own rules. They could do it now, but they’ve decided to wait a few days, elect new members….like I said, they’re a bit reticent to be the ones, they think, I guess they won’t need to as he’ll be pushed forthwith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, blandy said: Aye. The committee as it stands is quite able to change their own rules. They could do it now, but they’ve decided to wait a few days, elect new members….like I said, they’re a bit reticent to be the ones, they think, I guess they won’t need to as he’ll be pushed forthwith. I think its more a reticence to change the rules because they think the rule is right Why they can't find 50% of the party to back a VONC right now is beyond my understanding, that would be the simplest approach but again there seems a reticence to do this too I think they hope he'll be pushed but I have this feeling he'll force them to rip the party apart and as it says above, he'll get the whole summer recess to continue being PM and change enough minds (he's that deluded) Part of me really hop[es that is the case 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: I think I have found a way Bozo can remain PM for the rest of his life. Suicide tonight. Sadly it seems like Birmingham Road in Sutton Coldfield is currently closed due to someone on top of a building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Are they all talking inside number 10 still? I bet Boris’s tea is freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 Odds on he'll quit tonight or tomorrow. Graham Brady's given him the hard word from the 1922. Patel's come out against him. He's got no cabinet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Odds on he'll quit tonight or tomorrow. Graham Brady's given him the hard word from the 1922. Patel's come out against him. He's got no cabinet. He's still got gonads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 "HOW MANY CHILDREN DOES HE HAVE?". Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Odds on he'll quit tonight or tomorrow. Graham Brady's given him the hard word from the 1922. Patel's come out against him. He's got no cabinet. I’ll still be shocked to see him quit, I think the more he is asked the more he digs in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, Davkaus said: He's still got gonads And JRM. But come ON... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 "Sky News Understands...". He'll be gone by the end of the week then. Quote PM 'does not intend to resign' Boris Johnson is said to be "absolutely defiant" and "does not intend to resign", a senior Number 10 source has told Sky News. . Sky News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Sky news reporting that he will absolutely not resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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