bickster Posted December 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 4, 2020 This is an FOI Request someone made to LCC in September, which may or may not be relevant. Quote 1.Please supply the number of times Mr Derek Hatton has visited or being given assess to enter the offices of the Liverpool city council within the last 2 years? This is a matter that several Liverpool city council staff have complained about that, Mr Derek Hatton walks around the floors of the Cunard, as if he was a full-time acting staff member. 2.Has Mr Derek Hatton got any family members or partners working within the Cunard offices as LCC staff or in the planning department? 3. Is Sonjia Eccleston a member or employee of the Liverpool city council and what department does she work in? 4.Does the Liverpool city council work with (Derek Hatton & Associates Ltd) has the Liverpool city council in the past worked with this company? 5.Has the Liverpool city council ever been a client of (Derek Hatton & Associates ltd)? 6.Hill Dickerson has a client (Mr. M. Guy) of West tree Estates, was this company awarded the land in and on “Ducie Street” L8. 7.Has the Liverpool city council ever awarded any contracts or land to: (a) West Tree Developments Ltd (b) West Tree estates ltd? 8.Has the Liverpool city council kept all records of all meeting with Mr. M. Guy and the planning offices along with the Mayor (Joe Anderson) 9. Has the Mayor ever been to, Ducie Street L8 with Mr. M Guy and what was the reason for this? This could be an absolute house of cards once it gets going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Where's the other one ha ha! Ynys Mon, so geographically, not that far removed. A very tight local network of scaffolders and planners and security firms and highways officers and labour agencies and even **** traffic wardens. Allegedly, as they say. It’s been about 10 years since I’ve worked in either place, I’m sure it’s all much better now... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 4, 2020 And the memes are flying around the city. This one amused us because... well we get a mention as the replacement for cab (such is our market penetration) and we really don't get on with Chippy Tits as he once attempted to get our licence revoked and we also threatened to sue him unless he printed a retraction of something he'd said. Oh Copy Lane is a Custody Suite 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) Edited December 4, 2020 by Xela 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 4, 2020 and.... #chippytits is trending on Twitter. Scousers know exactly what and who its about and the rest of the world are whhaaaaa???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 5, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) On 05/12/2020 at 05:54, TheAuthority said: More like, the wrong kind of person to be a leader or member in a CLP. Whereas JC admitted to the mural thing being AS, this lady spouted this crap: Quote Speaking on LBC radio she defended Mr Corbyn over his response to the antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets, which had been raised by Ms Berger. Ms Wimborne-Idrissi said: "He thought the artist was being censored unfairly... If people were honest, including Luciana Berger, who dredged this up at the apposite moment to suit her anti-Corbyn agenda." She also defended Ken Livingstone at his suspension hearing. There's absolutely no loss to the Labour party were she to never return. Even worse is the fact that McDonnell is going to defend her at her hearing, hopefully it means that he's also out. If he can't separate a troll like her from honest debate I'll also be glad to see the back of him. Edited December 7, 2020 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Future slipping away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 13, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: Future slipping away. Not really, in the latest poll from Yougov Labour +3 Tories -1 Starmer is suffering presently in the 18-24 age group because of the Jehova's Witnesses, sorry... Jeremy's Witnesses Who seemingly answer every question with yeah but Jeremy. One sugar or two? How many does Jeremy have? But its actually improving in other demographics. It is an important demographic for Labour but its not really a metric they'll be worried about right now. Thinking Starmer isnt trustwoirthy in this demographic isn't going to drive all those voters to the Tories and when it comes down to an election and for most people, it'll be a binary choice, they'll still vote Labour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 hours ago, bickster said: Not really, in the latest poll from Yougov Labour +3 Tories -1 Starmer is suffering presently in the 18-24 age group because of the Jehova's Witnesses, sorry... Jeremy's Witnesses Who seemingly answer every question with yeah but Jeremy. One sugar or two? How many does Jeremy have? But its actually improving in other demographics. It is an important demographic for Labour but its not really a metric they'll be worried about right now. Thinking Starmer isnt trustwoirthy in this demographic isn't going to drive all those voters to the Tories and when it comes down to an election and for most people, it'll be a binary choice, they'll still vote Labour Shocked it’s not 20 points ahead, as I constantly saw people saying any leader other than Corbyn would be 20 points ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, avfcDJ said: Shocked it’s not 20 points ahead, as I constantly saw people saying any leader other than Corbyn would be 20 points ahead. He's 20 points ahead of where Corbyn would be right now (at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, bickster said: He's 20 points ahead of where Corbyn would be right now (at least) It’s the old circle from when Corbyn was in charge. Not pointing at you, specifically the centrist Labour Twitter followers, as I’ve never really been massively impressed with JC. But it goes like this. I will never vote Corbyn I didn’t vote Corbyn Told you Corbyn wouldn’t win Those who voted for Corbyn are to blame for the Tories getting in Repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: It’s the old circle from when Corbyn was in charge. Not pointing at you, specifically the centrist Labour Twitter followers, as I’ve never really been massively impressed with JC. But it goes like this. I will never vote Corbyn I didn’t vote Corbyn Told you Corbyn wouldn’t win Those who voted for Corbyn are to blame for the Tories getting in Repeat The first 3 yeah they were dead right - and even to an extent on the fourth point “Those who voted for Corbyn are to blame for the Tories getting in” if by that you mean the MPs who nominated him to stand for the leadership and then the labour members who voted him leader they are also correct. It’s not even arguable that Corbyn was a massive reason for people not voting Labour. They said it over and over again to canvassers and pollsters and leaflet deliverers and local MPs and TV and radio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I voted Labour despite Corbyn. I didn’t want to, it pained me to do it and I was unlikely to do it again. My problem I guess was believing the lies my regular subscription to The Sun and The Mail told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 13 hours ago, bickster said: Not really, in the latest poll from Yougov Labour +3 Tories -1 Starmer is suffering presently in the 18-24 age group because of the Jehova's Witnesses, sorry... Jeremy's Witnesses Who seemingly answer every question with yeah but Jeremy. One sugar or two? How many does Jeremy have? But its actually improving in other demographics. It is an important demographic for Labour but its not really a metric they'll be worried about right now. Thinking Starmer isnt trustwoirthy in this demographic isn't going to drive all those voters to the Tories and when it comes down to an election and for most people, it'll be a binary choice, they'll still vote Labour You've cherry picked YouGov. Other polls are available. The most accurate is the aggregation which shows Labour and Tories roughly neck and neck and Labour starting a bit of a downward slide since November which seems to correlate with the shifting towards an increasingly negative opinion of Starmer. Indeed, Starmer's approval ratings have been falling ever since he became leader (data source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_approval_opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2020_2) 2 hours ago, bickster said: He's 20 points ahead of where Corbyn would be right now (at least) Objection: pure supposition. And doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. There's as much chance of Corbyn being ahead of where Labour are now by being an actual opposition to the gov's COVID response and brexit actions. Labour under Starmer still haven't got quite as high as Labour under Corbyn did in the polls. He may well do at some point, but hasn't yet. There's a solid 40% Labour vote out there and a lot of them are very pro-EU. When Corbyn was seen as pro-brexit a lot of the vote went to Lib Dems and some of the pro-brexit Labour vote went to the Tories. If Labour under Corbyn were actually challenging the gov on brexit right now there's good reason to think they would be at least similar in polling. 1 hour ago, blandy said: The first 3 yeah they were dead right - and even to an extent on the fourth point “Those who voted for Corbyn are to blame for the Tories getting in” if by that you mean the MPs who nominated him to stand for the leadership and then the labour members who voted him leader they are also correct. It’s not even arguable that Corbyn was a massive reason for people not voting Labour. They said it over and over again to canvassers and pollsters and leaflet deliverers and local MPs and TV and radio. It's also not arguable that Corbyn was a massive reason for people voting Labour. Did you knock doors? I did. Quite a few. Corbyn came up far less than you'd think. Brexit on the other hand (that thing no-one cared about before 2016 ) came up a *lot*. The majority of the responses were total confusion though. No-one had a clue who they were going to vote for. Our awful media creating confusion over everything are to blame for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 My personal view is that the 'any other leader would be 20 points ahead!' stuff was stupid, bad faith nonsense when Corbyn was leader, and while I understand the desire for revenge that motivates left-wing shitposters to parrot the line back now, it's not better now it's directed at someone I dislike more. It is still very early in Starmer's time in charge (presumably!), and the political landscape is going to change a lot between here and the next election one would assume, so I don't think polls tell us much of anything one way or another at this point. The big picture is the parties are basically level-pegging, and have been since the Cummings saga, but that tells us almost nothing about 2024. I personally find Starmer an uninspiring leader and I predict a pretty dismal policy prospectus at the next election, but again that says nothing about whether he will win or lose. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The issue I have with Starmer's leadership is that he's forgotten most of his leadership election pledges. Not to mention he abstained on a vote that could see people like myself legally tortured or murdered by the state, and tried to purge large parts of the left of the party, many of who voted for him to be the unity candidate I'd say 18 to 24 year olds have a canny grasp on things to be honest. As it stands the Labour Party is still the best vehicle to help the people who need it most, and for all their current failings (in my eyes granted). Plus I have no interest in the SP, SWP, People's Front of Judea, or any of the 57 varieties of Trott groups, arguing over what colour hat Lenin wore in the Summer 1919. I must admit it's been tough. Thankfully I have my union to focus my left leanings, or I may have been long gone. Starmer isn't the party or the movement though, in the same was Corbyn wasn't, so I won't give them the satisfaction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, darrenm said: You've cherry picked YouGov. Because the post I was replying to was from.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 This is really disappointing by Starmer. I was really disappointed when he started a regular show with the objectively racist Ferrari. Now it seems he's so scared to upset voters he thinks he needs to appeal to that he won't call out white supremacism: I think that's why his popularity is continuing to fall. I backed him for leader when he promised to keep the same policies as I thought he would be a more media friendly face of socialism. But this timidity is winning no-one over while actively putting some off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, darrenm said: This is really disappointing by Starmer. I was really disappointed when he started a regular show with the objectively racist Ferrari. Now it seems he's so scared to upset voters he thinks he needs to appeal to that he won't call out white supremacism: I think that's why his popularity is continuing to fall. I backed him for leader when he promised to keep the same policies as I thought he would be a more media friendly face of socialism. But this timidity is winning no-one over while actively putting some off. So let me get this straight. JC goes on Press TV, gets paid for it, stands next to a rabid TV presenter who advocates death to gay people, sharia law, destroying Israel etc, yet it's Starmer being on a fairly common, albeit click-baity UK radio show that makes you react? Nick Ferrari is a small-minded annoying little man. Press TV is a TV station that lost its rights to broadcast in most countries due to horrible support of a regime that treats its population like trash. Edited December 14, 2020 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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