sexbelowsound Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I Might as well ask the old Spurs fan who lives in the flat below me for his opinion as well if we are considering Michael Owen's opinion on Villa as relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I Might as well ask the old Spurs fan who lives in the flat below me for his opinion as well if we are considering Michael Owen's opinion on Villa as relevant. Yes please - let us know what he says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I Might as well ask the old Spurs fan who lives in the flat below me for his opinion as well if we are considering Michael Owen's opinion on Villa as relevant. Yes please - let us know what he says! Already did, he says Villa look really good with that midfield duo of Draper and Taylor. Dynamic he called them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Wow - that is bad! Was't aware of that one about not scoring in the last 15 minutes: Is the players fitness up to scratch? Why are we being so defensive in the last 15 minutes rather than taking the game to the opposition? Why is the manager unable to make effective substitutions regularly like other managers? A complete shambles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I Might as well ask the old Spurs fan who lives in the flat below me for his opinion as well if we are considering Michael Owen's opinion on Villa as relevant. Yes please - let us know what he says! Already did, he says Villa look really good with that midfield duo of Draper and Taylor. Dynamic he called them. Sounds like he is up to date on all things Villa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I Might as well ask the old Spurs fan who lives in the flat below me for his opinion as well if we are considering Michael Owen's opinion on Villa as relevant. Yes please - let us know what he says! Already did, he says Villa look really good with that midfield duo of Draper and Taylor. Dynamic he called them. Sounds like he is up to date on all things Villa! TBH, I wish he were. Then we'd have those guys in our squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 They'd probably still show more movement than some of our central midfield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 **** sake, Its that time of the week again. Im depressed already. Going back to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Looking at our fixtures, April is a bad month, but the other months you would have to look at, if you had any sort of a half decent team, and think ``We can get points there''. Problem is, we have a team either not good enough or mismanaged, and a manager who gives the appearance of being bereft of ideas and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted February 7, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I Might as well ask the old Spurs fan who lives in the flat below me for his opinion as well if we are considering Michael Owen's opinion on Villa as relevant. I agree mate we don't really need Owens two penneths worth. We can see all with our own eyes. This thread is just going around in circles now and makes for tough reading and I am also sick to death of seeing and hearing negative stat after negative stat related to our results under Lambert in various forms of the media. Clearly all this can't be allowed to go on. There comes a breaking point and it is fast approaching. Whether some like it or not but the vast majority of supporters are now totally pissed off. There is a defeatist attitude amongst many that go now which is totally understandable given our results over such a long period but it obviously transmits to a tense atmosphere being created. It isn't helped that when the club is spoken about it is in a negative way. The fans can't switch off from that and clearly the players won't be oblivious to it either. It all results in a snow ball effect. Negative results and poor runs of form are extremely difficult to break out of. It is not just about what happens on the pitch it is that 7 days before the next game where you pick up the paper, you turn on the tv, you listen to the radio and how poor we have been is rammed down your throat. In every interview now Lambert is fending off questions regarding our poor results and lack of goals. Same with the players. You throw it all together and it results in a negative feeling surrounding the club and simply increases pressure going into the next game. It is for this reason why I don't share the optimism of some and the clinging to the fact that we have some favorable fixtures coming up. We will have players going into them fixtures under a black cloud of a diabolical run of results, with zero confidence and under huge pressure. Just because you apparently have an easier run of fixtures you don't discard the scars of past results they will be taken into those games with you. As much as I'd love to be more optimistic especially as I will be setting out for VP in a couple of hours I really don't see this nightmare ending any time soon. A change in manager for me would though at least allow someone to come in who wasn't carrying the scars of past results that Lambert has. A new manager wouldn't have the crowd ready to pounce on his back when we go a goal down. A new manager wouldn't have to fend off question, after question about our diabolical results under him. He can come in with a clean slate, fresh ideas, be a fresh voice in the dressing, can say to the players forget whats happened in the past this is a fresh start under me now. All things that Lambert can't do as he has overseen it all. I am not overly optimistic that a change in manager will be forthcoming but it doesn't change the fact that it is what is desperately needed. Edited February 7, 2015 by markavfc40 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Wow - that is bad! Was't aware of that one about not scoring in the last 15 minutes: Is the players fitness up to scratch? Why are we being so defensive in the last 15 minutes rather than taking the game to the opposition? Why is the manager unable to make effective substitutions regularly like other managers? A complete shambles! Sample size too small to come to conclusions like that. Not having scored in the last 15 minutes has very little meaning because we've only scored 11 goals. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) That is one view. Not one I agree with actually. Looking back across the last 12 months in the league we've managed to score once beyond the 75th minute. Yes, scoring is an issue but we seem even less likely to score in that final stage of the game. The only goal we did manage to score in the final 15 minutes was strangely enough when we beat Chelsea 1-0. Hopefully that proves to be the case again today. Edited February 7, 2015 by Brumstopdogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That is one view. Not one I agree with actually. Looking back across the last 12 months in the league we've managed to score once beyond the 75th minute. Yes, scoring is an issue but we seem even less likely to score in that final stage of the game. The only goal we did manage to score in the final 15 minutes was strangely enough when we beat Chelsea 1-0. Hopefully that proves to be the case again today. That's **** ridiculous. There was a time when these statistics were defensible. Often they are taken out of context or twisted to suit. That particular one is beyond my comprehension. He should he ashamed of that, I assume he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Probably why we as fans immediately say "Game over" when the opposition score first. Poor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That's **** ridiculous. There was a time when these statistics were defensible. Often they are taken out of context or twisted to suit. That particular one is beyond my comprehension. He should he ashamed of that, I assume he is. OTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 7, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2015 **** sake, Its that time of the week again. Im depressed already. Going back to bed. Pick your ring up, get it down the Park, throw a Balti pie down your neck and sing your lungs right out. I have decided that is the only way to cope with this mess. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That is one view. Not one I agree with actually. Looking back across the last 12 months in the league we've managed to score once beyond the 75th minute. Yes, scoring is an issue but we seem even less likely to score in that final stage of the game. The only goal we did manage to score in the final 15 minutes was strangely enough when we beat Chelsea 1-0. Hopefully that proves to be the case again today. The last twelve months in the league includes what? Another 10 games. And during a last 15 minute spell in one of those games, we scored? Well looks like our ratio just skyrocketed. Poor fitness, too defensive, bad substitutions? Maybe. But it's more likely it's just a symptom of our overall inability to score goals. Which is what the problem is. These are not extra problems. The big bad stat is that we can't score goals. When those goals aren't scored is not the problem, it's just that they aren't scored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That's **** ridiculous. There was a time when these statistics were defensible. Often they are taken out of context or twisted to suit. That particular one is beyond my comprehension. He should he ashamed of that, I assume he is. OTT. I don't understand? Over the top in what sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That is one view. Not one I agree with actually. Looking back across the last 12 months in the league we've managed to score once beyond the 75th minute. Yes, scoring is an issue but we seem even less likely to score in that final stage of the game. The only goal we did manage to score in the final 15 minutes was strangely enough when we beat Chelsea 1-0. Hopefully that proves to be the case again today. The last twelve months in the league includes what? Another 10 games. And during a last 15 minute spell in one of those games, we scored? Well looks like our ratio just skyrocketed. Poor fitness, too defensive, bad substitutions? Maybe. But it's more likely it's just a symptom of our overall inability to score goals. Which is what the problem is. These are not extra problems. The big bad stat is that we can't score goals. When those goals aren't scored is not the problem, it's just that they aren't scored. The last 12 months would include 14 league games last season and 23 this - so 37 league games. For the sake of doing it over 38 league games take it back another week so it's over 38. 1 goal in the final 15 minutes across the equivalent of an entire season. Worth a discussion point but obviously I agree the overall problem is the inability of the team to score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That is one view. Not one I agree with actually. Looking back across the last 12 months in the league we've managed to score once beyond the 75th minute. Yes, scoring is an issue but we seem even less likely to score in that final stage of the game. The only goal we did manage to score in the final 15 minutes was strangely enough when we beat Chelsea 1-0. Hopefully that proves to be the case again today. The last twelve months in the league includes what? Another 10 games. And during a last 15 minute spell in one of those games, we scored? Well looks like our ratio just skyrocketed. Poor fitness, too defensive, bad substitutions? Maybe. But it's more likely it's just a symptom of our overall inability to score goals. Which is what the problem is. These are not extra problems. The big bad stat is that we can't score goals. When those goals aren't scored is not the problem, it's just that they aren't scored. We have scored 23 goals in that time, only 1 in the last 15 minutes is quite a big sample. It points to it being a tactical decision to sit back in that period of time, or perhaps a lack of fitness, confidence. Either way, I find that embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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