George Curtis Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more. We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it. Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more. We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it. Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. Still devastates me every time I read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik986 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more. We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it. Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. Still devastates me every time I read that. Likewise, defending the manager due the economic constraints of the club doesn't help either. I agree trotting out stats and same argument over and over doesn't help either. I suppose fans feel so powerless and there has been little to no improvement in any measurable way except for a reduction in wage bill. Nothing will change, and Lerner hasn't ever sacked a manager mid season anyway. We just have to accept scraping 16-17th is the limit of our ambition. For the record, like mcleish, I think Lambert is a decent guy, doing a poor job with hands tied behind his back. I just wanna see someone else govern a crack at it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If the main defence for Lambert is a lack of transfer funds,why keep Lambert when any muppet can build a team with a small fortune to spend,he was brought in to do a job on a limited budget,hes tried ,hes failed. What job was he brought in to do that he's failed on then, eh? to win a reasonable amount of games....and when we play give an impression that we know what we are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more. We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it. Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. Club isn't up for sale ? If true shit just got a whole lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more. We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it. Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. Club isn't up for sale ? If true shit just got a whole lot worse I don't believe that for a second. as the old saying goes: everything has its price. Lerner's just trying not to look desperate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Like calling any mitigation 'mythical', anyone who doesn't agree with you 'in denial' and saying anyone being positive are only doing it because they think it makes them look passionate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Like calling any mitigation 'mythical', anyone who doesn't agree with you 'in denial' and saying anyone being positive are only doing it because they think it makes them look passionate? Thank you, you clearly don't agree that keeping the ball is important.....and if you do, why do cynics call it tippy tappy.... sadly I don't think, not keeping the ball, is associated with mitigation.I personally think it is a must and not even up for debate, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more. We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it. Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. We're in in today's commercial section of The Express & Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Like calling any mitigation 'mythical', anyone who doesn't agree with you 'in denial' and saying anyone being positive are only doing it because they think it makes them look passionate? Thank you, you clearly don't agree that keeping the ball is important.....and if you do, why do cynics call it tippy tappy.... sadly I don't think, not keeping the ball, is associated with mitigation.I personally think it is a must and not even up for debate, sorry. I didn't mention keeping the ball, although keeping the ball is only profitable if you do something with it. West Brom under Mowbray kept the ball wonderfully but couldn't do much else other than keep it and were relegated. My post was obviously about the part highlighted in bold, which I just found ironic considering those quotes from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Based on what I've seen on twitter and following the link to the suns website, from what I could read (I'm not paying for the sun) it seems like they are running an article tomorrow defending lambert and attacking Lerner Misses the point, ready made excuse for how shit lambert has us playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Like calling any mitigation 'mythical', anyone who doesn't agree with you 'in denial' and saying anyone being positive are only doing it because they think it makes them look passionate? Thank you, you clearly don't agree that keeping the ball is important.....and if you do, why do cynics call it tippy tappy.... sadly I don't think, not keeping the ball, is associated with mitigation.I personally think it is a must and not even up for debate, sorry. I didn't mention keeping the ball, although keeping the ball is only profitable if you do something with it. West Brom under Mowbray kept the ball wonderfully but couldn't do much else other than keep it and were relegated. My post was obviously about the part highlighted in bold, which I just found ironic considering those quotes from you. I don't think the argument for keeping the ball has ever been intended to be anything other than doing something with it.... but lets do it first and see if we can do something with it....you know phase 1 phase 2 The extreme view bit is exactly what you have resorted too.....who on earth would champion keeping the ball with a view to doing nothing with that possession. its like night follows day for me. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Like calling any mitigation 'mythical', anyone who doesn't agree with you 'in denial' and saying anyone being positive are only doing it because they think it makes them look passionate? Thank you, you clearly don't agree that keeping the ball is important.....and if you do, why do cynics call it tippy tappy.... sadly I don't think, not keeping the ball, is associated with mitigation.I personally think it is a must and not even up for debate, sorry. I didn't mention keeping the ball, although keeping the ball is only profitable if you do something with it. West Brom under Mowbray kept the ball wonderfully but couldn't do much else other than keep it and were relegated. My post was obviously about the part highlighted in bold, which I just found ironic considering those quotes from you. perhaps i sounded a bit sure of myself....sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 24 shots on target this season (average of 2 per game) - 7 less than Aguero has managed by himself! 2 points in 8 games 2 goals in 8 games 25 times in 28 games scored 1 goal or less 15 times in 28 games failed to score even 1 goal (over 50%) Managed to win 6 of last 28 games (including playing Leyton Orient) The winless run will be at least 77 days. We haven't scored one goal after the 50th minute this season! Lambert out - per the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) I don't think the argument for keeping the ball has ever been intended to be anything other than doing something with it.... but lets do it first and see if we can do something with it....you know phase 1 phase 2 The extreme view bit is exactly what you have resorted too.....who on earth would champion keeping the ball with a view to doing nothing with that possession. its like night follows day for me. . The top 5 short passing teams in the league at the moment are: Arsenal, City, Everton, Chelsea and Man U. I wouldn't be surprised if those 5 teams finish in the top positions. The bottom 5 short passing teams in the league at the moment are: Palace, Burnley, QPR, Villa and Leicester. I wouldn't be surprised if those 5 teams finish in the bottom 5 positions (or at least 4 out of the 5). Lambert is in his 3rd season and had the opportunity to create a passing philosophy throughout the club and we have the hit and hope hoof one which sadly is unlikely to get you success. It certainly isn't for us. We're not making progress under this guy - he simply has to go. 25k vs Soton - the fans have spoken. Over to you Randy - wake up. Edited November 26, 2014 by Brumstopdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 If we want to break this 10 years hoodoo of not being able to win at home in any reasonable amounts.... we need a manager that understands the art of keeping the ball. Now whilst keeping the ball is not meant to mean tippy tappy which the uneducated will resort too, because there is nothing like a bit of extreme view to tickle the heart, we will never change this appalling record until we do keep the ball. We need a change of football thinking in our club. Like calling any mitigation 'mythical', anyone who doesn't agree with you 'in denial' and saying anyone being positive are only doing it because they think it makes them look passionate? Thank you, you clearly don't agree that keeping the ball is important.....and if you do, why do cynics call it tippy tappy.... sadly I don't think, not keeping the ball, is associated with mitigation.I personally think it is a must and not even up for debate, sorry. I didn't mention keeping the ball, although keeping the ball is only profitable if you do something with it. West Brom under Mowbray kept the ball wonderfully but couldn't do much else other than keep it and were relegated. My post was obviously about the part highlighted in bold, which I just found ironic considering those quotes from you. perhaps i sounded a bit sure of myself....sorry. I didn't say anyone was championing keeping the ball and not doing anything with it. I just pointed out, that as West Brom showed, it's possible to have possession and be pretty ineffective. That shown by Mowbrays Albion is probably what would be described as tippy tappy & you don't have to be 'uneducated' to not want that. There's no problem with sounding sure of yourself but it shouldn't have to mean belittling and insulting those who have a different opinion. To be fair, it's not something that I've noticed in your posts before the last few days. Maybe I was just being a touch sensitive but just because some people may think that getting rid of Lambert isn't the answer to Villas problems, it doesn't mean they are happy with the situation or aren't suffering as much as those that want Lambert out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackbauer24 Posted November 26, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2014 I try not to let this thread wind me up but I feel some people are missing the point of the more 'pro-Lambert' argument. It's fine to disagree with it or not place the same importance on some mitigating circumstances but some just seem to completely miss the point in the argument for Lambert. No-one is saying he's marvelous, no-one is saying they are happy with either the squad, the playing style or the results. What they are saying is the bulk of the blame is not Lambert's but Lerner's. I hate our style, a number of players are substandard and it is a horrible time to be a fan. People are saying we 'should' be able to compete with the likes of West Ham and Sunderland etc, why? Last season we did which is a credit to Lambert as he spent less than them. This season they all strengthened. Someone mentioned "we're as bad as Burnley, Leicester, Palace and QPR" - we SHOULD be! Only one of them has invested less than us! What gives us a divine right to be higher than these teams? They invested in their squad, we didn't. Yet we're still in there fighting. Based on CURRENT transfers and wages (i.e. not those inherited from MON or McLeish) our top signing is £4.5m Sanchez! We operate as a small team trying to survive. So, whilst very very unhappy about it, Lambert is succeeding in keeping us up. Is that good enough? Clearly not, but Lambert can't do anything about it, only Lerner can. Please name any other team that has both played better and finished higher than us in recent years who has invested the same amount we have. Wigan played better and got relegated, others spent. And for the record, of those teams we should 'compete' with as a divine right (anyone outside last years top 6) we have only lost to QPR this season. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 You seem to want to only judge him when everything is going his way and is perfect. That's not football and that's not life. I'm sure a lot of managers look better when you only judge games where everything was set up right for them. Again this is nonsense, I said Benteke. Specifically that player. Not everything in his favour. I'm talking about by far and away our best and most important player. At our level our equivalent to Suarez or Ronaldo. OK and like said you had a full first season and 24 games last season to judge us on. What's 6 more this year going to change? I have already explained last season points per game with and without him. It would have resulted in us being 11th had he played 38 games based on the points per game ratio. Why this season, because this summer is the first time Lambert has had the freedom to sign experience and offer competitive wages. This is the first time I think he's got his team without the wage bill constraints he was under last summer. I believe he can be fairly judged this season. The key word is season. Not horrible run of fixtures in first 12 games without Benteke. I mean the full season of fixtures. Once half way through at the end of the year we can begin to give a fair reflection on the season so far. I think this is fair. The football is still depressing though, but I get the feeling it's a necessary evil if we're to stay in the league. Really disillusioned with Aston Villa and most of that has to do with the way Lerner is running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 It seems that we should be just happy with our lot and not want more.We all want more but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make Lerner sell up any quicker is it.Especially considering the Club is no longer up for sale. Please god no. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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