lexicon Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Who cares sean? It was a dead rubber anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted May 12, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2014 Who cares sean? It was a dead rubber anyway. This. However he passed up the benefit of this by not blooding the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 We're waiting Randy.. Hopefully Lambert will still be in charge next season, can't see us getting anyone better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 We're waiting Randy.. Hopefully Lambert will still be in charge next season, can't see us getting anyone better. I'm pretty confident we can get someone better than 38 points and 20 losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 We're waiting Randy.. Hopefully Lambert will still be in charge next season, can't see us getting anyone better. I'm pretty confident we can get someone better than 38 points and 20 losses I think that's impressing based on our squad. It's utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 bye Paul, I backed you for a long time but you made the impossible possible and that is do a worse job than Big Eck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted May 12, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2014 Im confused does Big John not like Lambet now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 We're waiting Randy.. Hopefully Lambert will still be in charge next season, can't see us getting anyone better. I'm pretty confident we can get someone better than 38 points and 20 losses I think that's impressing based on our squad. It's utter garbage. A squad that he bought. Well, not entirely, most of the good performers were signed by other managers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 To be fair I expected better than last season too. But then I expected Benteke to be fit and firing and Okore to be playing ahead of Clark and Baker. Suffice to say that if both of those had happened we would be sitting pretty comfortably, perhaps even in the top half. As it is it's been a dismal campaign. Lambert's not blameless, but all things considered it's not a total failure on his part to have kept us up. As to his signings, his main two suffered long term injuries after looking decent, and Bacuna has been useful for £1m. Luna, Helenius and Tonev have flopped but cost less than £5m between them. When Benteke was playing by in large we were still poor. That's some ascertain to make concerning Okore since he hasn't played many games due to injury and you can't possibly tell either way how good or how poor he would have been. Price paid for players especially when purchased within a limited budget should not excuse managerial choice when they flop as badly as three quarters of Lambert's signings have. You are right in one respect though that it has been a dismal season made worse by the fact that there has been absolutely no improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think the supporters are patient.....I think they are as loyal as it gets. As I've seen written elsewhere, if your lamp doesn't work with three different bulbs it's the lamp that's the problem, not the bulbs. Maybe the batch of bulbs are faulty and not the lamp! You are right though about expectations however I don't think anyone expected miracles, just get the basics right. Which hasn't been delivered. And lets be fair you dont need messi, ronaldo etc to get the basics right do you. I think people expected us to finish higher than 15th, but to be quite frank, do we have even the 15th best squad in the league? Not without Benteke and Okore IMO. Us our squad better even than Fulhams, who finished bottom? Not sure. Who built the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny*Nunny Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think the supporters are patient.....I think they are as loyal as it gets.As I've seen written elsewhere, if your lamp doesn't work with three different bulbs it's the lamp that's the problem, not the bulbs. Maybe the batch of bulbs are faulty and not the lamp! You are right though about expectations however I don't think anyone expected miracles, just get the basics right. Which hasn't been delivered. And lets be fair you dont need messi, ronaldo etc to get the basics right do you. I think people expected us to finish higher than 15th, but to be quite frank, do we have even the 15th best squad in the league? Not without Benteke and Okore IMO. Us our squad better even than Fulhams, who finished bottom? Not sure.Who built the squad. How much did the squad cost? What are the wages for the squad? We can talk about issues with tactics and substitutions but assembling a squad on the cheap and then dealing with significant injuries isn't really something PL can take so much blame for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Our squad is probably the worst we've had for a generation, but can you honestly say that without Benteke/N'Zogbia we'd have been worrying about relegation? I doubt it. Lambert does not inspire much confidence, and has been inconsistent for us, but he's done a much better job than his two predecessors considering the circumstances (and that's coming from somebody who thinks Houllier was alright). Our main problem is an owner who gave us a lot of money but didn't really know what he was doing with it. I respect Lerner's motives but his execution as our chairman has overall been very poor. The truth is we are still suffering from an almighty hangover from the O'Neill days, who let's be honest, pretty much ran the club on and off the pitch during his time. Our supporters. Well, they can be good, as shown today. Our away fans by and large are one of the best sets in the league. Our home fans are probably amongst the worst though. You can try and justify it, but the atmosphere the young Villa players play under is toxic. It is not their fault if they are not good enough. The likes of Joe Bennett getting dog's abuse on Twitter displays the complete and utter lack of understanding some fans have. We will not get better if our players are made to play in such a negative and pressured environment. We will continue to regress. The players look completely abject of confidence and you can tell that the biggest contributor to that is the fans. Our home record since since December 2011 reads: Played 51, Won 12, Drawn 13, Lost 26. Think about it. We do well against big teams because the pressure is off (as well as the fact we are good on the break), but when expectations are high at home when we play a bottom 12 club, the support (if there was any in the first place) completely switches off after 25 minutes if we haven't had a dominant spell. You've got to understand how limited our team is. Without Benteke or Kozak and N'Zogbia we probably genuinely have the least creative midfield in the Prem and the worst striking force beyond perhaps Cardiff and at a stretch Fulham. Our defence is hardly something to shout about either. We are still in a period of transition believe it or not because our books still need to be massively balanced. Lambert has not been brilliant in his transfers by any means, but look around at other clubs and there are few who have been much better. I'm afraid that people need to accept that we are not a big club anymore, we fulfill absolutely no criteria. If you can't attract big players to the club, you are not a big club. You have to be realistic. If our fans got behind the players at home we'd be nowhere near relegation, our results would improve, and so would our opinion of the players/manager. It is a scientific fact that people respond better to support than criticism, Villa fans are living proof of this. Some people don't get how the psyche works Watched the game yesterday. Our fans cheered all afternoon. What was the result. We get how the psyche works. Defend Lambert at all costs instead of admitting you were wrong about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) Why are some people so obsessed with others "admitting" they were "wrong"? Circumstances change and I don't think it's a case of certain people being right all along and others being wrong the whole time. Just smacks of petty point-scoring to me. Edited May 12, 2014 by Mantis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I think the supporters are patient.....I think they are as loyal as it gets.As I've seen written elsewhere, if your lamp doesn't work with three different bulbs it's the lamp that's the problem, not the bulbs. Maybe the batch of bulbs are faulty and not the lamp! You are right though about expectations however I don't think anyone expected miracles, just get the basics right. Which hasn't been delivered. And lets be fair you dont need messi, ronaldo etc to get the basics right do you.I think people expected us to finish higher than 15th, but to be quite frank, do we have even the 15th best squad in the league? Not without Benteke and Okore IMO. Us our squad better even than Fulhams, who finished bottom? Not sure.Who built the squad. How much did the squad cost? What are the wages for the squad? We can talk about issues with tactics and substitutions but assembling a squad on the cheap and then dealing with significant injuries isn't really something PL can take so much blame for.How much did the squad at Palace cost? Did Poyet utilise the high earners at Sunderland or did he alienate them? How much do you think Agbonlahor, Delph, Weimann and Benteke are on and hasn't our wage outlay increased. Did Lerner purchase the players or did Lambert and look at my sig which highlights a comment from Lambert. Edited May 12, 2014 by shaggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Why are some people so obsessed with others "admitting" they were "wrong"? Circumstances change and I don't think it's a case of certain people being right all along and others being wrong the whole time. Just smacks of petty point-scoring to me. Something which I've noted posters doing when we were mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny*Nunny Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think the supporters are patient.....I think they are as loyal as it gets.As I've seen written elsewhere, if your lamp doesn't work with three different bulbs it's the lamp that's the problem, not the bulbs. Maybe the batch of bulbs are faulty and not the lamp! You are right though about expectations however I don't think anyone expected miracles, just get the basics right. Which hasn't been delivered. And lets be fair you dont need messi, ronaldo etc to get the basics right do you.I think people expected us to finish higher than 15th, but to be quite frank, do we have even the 15th best squad in the league? Not without Benteke and Okore IMO. Us our squad better even than Fulhams, who finished bottom? Not sure.Who built the squad.How much did the squad cost? What are the wages for the squad? We can talk about issues with tactics and substitutions but assembling a squad on the cheap and then dealing with significant injuries isn't really something PL can take so much blame for.How much did the squad at Palace cost? Did Poyet utilise the high earners at Sunderland or did he alienate them? How much do you think Agbonlahor, Delph, Weimann and Benteke are on and hasn't our wage outlay increased. Did Lerner purchase the players or did Lambert and look at my sig which highlights a comment from Lambert. I get your point but we're all guessing about who dictated that certain players had to be bombed out. For me it comes back to whether we think the club and manager have been sufficiently backed and I think most of us would say no. (sorry can't see your sig, on mobile site) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Give it a rest FFS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanO Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Who cares sean? It was a dead rubber anyway. Yeah I know lexicon but I still expect the players to give it a real go if only for their own personal pride. Obviously I'm expecting too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 No probs mate. The quote from Lambert was 'I'm responsible for it because it was my decision to pick the players.' We are too far apart on the other stuff to continue but I do respect your opinion. Hopefully we will all get what we want in the summer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Why are some people so obsessed with others "admitting" they were "wrong"? Circumstances change and I don't think it's a case of certain people being right all along and others being wrong the whole time. Just smacks of petty point-scoring to me. Something which I've noted posters doing when we were mid table. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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