Stevo985 Posted February 25, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. Anyone can cherry pick bargains from down the years to compare against one of our more expensive signings. And vice versa, look Vlaar... £2.5mil Carrol... £35mil Downing...£20mil Afonso Alves...£11m Incredible value for money! I don't disagree with your point, that if we don't have money to spend we should be looking for value signings, but cherry picking 4 of the biggest bargains in the premier League and comparing it against one of our signings who has got 4 goals in 9 games and then broke his leg is a completely pointless argument. Edited February 25, 2014 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switters Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. hardly the fairest comparisons! to start with Kompany was 2008 and Vidic 2006. look at equivalently highly rated young CBs more recently: Sakho to Liverpool 15m, Nastasic to City for ~10-12m, Kurt Zouma to Chelsea in Jan for 12m. these are not the players in our market - even if we could afford the fees, we're not going to be most attractive club in for them. in Vlaar and Okore we've probably done very well for value in CBs anyhow. Matic for 1.5 - Chelsea can afford scattershot approach of signing loads of young players at that price and sending them out on loan for years. we're signing players in that price bracket to go straight into the first team squad. they originally signed him in 2009 - was he ready to be a Premier League player at that point? probably not. hence they let him go and it's not til 4.5 years later they've brought him back. look, we could certainly have made better choices in some of our signings (e.g. Bennett, Tonev, Luna), but let's be reasonable: if you shop around the 2m mark, there's probably 100 El Ahmadis and Tonevs for every Michu - Michu is notable precisely because it is so unusual to get that kind of quality from such a cheap signing. Swansea also spent ~2m on Leroy Lita. everyone makes bad signings in that price bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Edited February 25, 2014 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Whether he's been a flop isn't the point. The point is that we spent £7m on another striker when the money could and chould have been spent elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Whether he's been a flop isn't the point. The point is that we spent £7m on another striker when the money could and chould have been spent elsewhere. Well we could really use him now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Whether he's been a flop isn't the point. The point is that we spent £7m on another striker when the money could and chould have been spent elsewhere. We have no way of knowing whether the money would've been better spent elsewhere or not. That's how it works. I guess he's an easy target because he's one of Lambert's most expensive signings and he hasn't come in and performed like Vlaar or Benteke (so far) but even from Lambert's signings I can think of worse buys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Whether he's been a flop isn't the point. The point is that we spent £7m on another striker when the money could and chould have been spent elsewhere. We have no way of knowing whether the money would've been better spent elsewhere or not. That's how it works. I guess he's an easy target because he's one of Lambert's most expensive signings and he hasn't come in and performed like Vlaar or Benteke (so far) but even from Lambert's signings I can think of worse buys. Of the top of my head I'd say he's probably got a better record in what he's played compared to bentekes start for the same period. I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Exactly. I don't think Kozak is brilliant but he's probably one of our most underrated players at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It says something when Kozak has scored more goals than Weimann and Agbonlahor this season. The problem isn't signing Kozak or bringing in an AM. I think there is a tendency to beat PL up with anything, I see tweets of the sort Lambert doesn't play his own youth but plays League 1 players. I think Lambert real problem this season is the performances of his front 3 and constant tinkering of formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Lambert must be doing great behind the scenes. Otherwise he would have been sacked. A little like Ferguson in his problem years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 de Jong could go back to munchmeballsack You have made a powerful enemy this day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 25, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Whether he's been a flop isn't the point. The point is that we spent £7m on another striker when the money could and chould have been spent elsewhere. Actually that was the point. Your point is correct, but it wasn't the point being made by TRO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 dont think you can label Matic a bargain at 1.5million if Chelsea sold him and then paid nearly 20million to take him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 For every bargain there's a dozen flops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. What a predictable and awfully cherry picked list. For every gem, there's a flop. Look how SAF wasted £6.5m on Kleberson, £28m on Veron, £17m for Hargreaves. £7.4m for Bebe, £17m for Ashley Young, £20m for Anderson, £21m for Nani. I'm sure we could spend all day doing it. Kozak is far from a flop especially in a brand new league and country. His goals have won us matches and that more than makes up for it. Get off his back. Edited February 25, 2014 by The_Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If it was easy to buy a Michu for £2m then everybody would be doing it, several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) I think its easy to cherry pick examples to suit which ever argument you want to make. Bottom line is this squad that the manager has assembled is pretty awful. And as for Kozak, can anyone actually name 2 games that he played well in? Edited February 25, 2014 by Big_John_10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 25, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think its easy to cherry pick examples to suit which ever argument you want to make. Bottom line is this squad that the manager has assembled is pretty awful. And as for Kozak, can anyone actually name 2 games that he played well in? 4 goals in 9 games. 9 games in a new league, in a new country, for a pretty terrible team. He's 24. I'd say he's done pretty well all things considered. He's started better than Benteke did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) I think its easy to cherry pick examples to suit which ever argument you want to make. Bottom line is this squad that the manager has assembled is pretty awful. And as for Kozak, can anyone actually name 2 games that he played well in? Is your bottom statement not cherry picking? Without Kozak's goals against Norwich and Soton, think of where we would be. On top of that I see comments that we are ruining Benteke because of how we play, how we launch the ball, but then on the other hand you expect Kozak to be a world beater with the same service. Edited February 25, 2014 by SikhInTrinity 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'm glad the owner loves me maybe he will leave me all his dosh As for it might be too late in April what exactly are you going to do personally beforehand to change things? Nothing. You may as well just not get yourself in a tizz and get behind what is going on knowing this is the worst it can get if we stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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