myko Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 If this thread had been made after today then the votes would be very, very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 If this thread had been made after today then the votes would be very, very different. Which says more about Villa fans than the actual team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 15.7% of Aston Villa's passes have been hit long (35 yards or more) this season; a league-high ratio. Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 15.7% of Aston Villa's passes have been hit long (35 yards or more) this season; a league-high ratio. Here There's a world of difference between playing a long pass and playing 'long ball'. This stat is meaningless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 This thread is supposed to run to fill the void & the boredom of the International break only & now I have had to contradict it's very being & existence just to point this out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Disappointed this hasn't been archived to the Hall Of Fame by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 15.7% of Aston Villa's passes have been hit long (35 yards or more) this season; a league-high ratio.Here There's a world of difference between playing a long pass and playing 'long ball'. This stat is meaningless. It certainly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 style wise i'd say we're a lot nearer Stoke than we are Arsenal. if that helps ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. The only stat that matters is goals winning games - and we've won two back to back - that's improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. Doesn't help we've played Man City 8th, Chelsea 20th, Arsenal 27th, but how we managed to have such little possession against Norwich is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. The only stat that matters is goals winning games - and we've won two back to back - that's improvement Yeah, points on the board is the bottom line, but ignore stats like those at your peril. Possession and passing must improve or we won't win very many in the longer term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. Doesn't help we've played Man City 8th, Chelsea 20th, Arsenal 27th, but how we managed to have such little possession against Norwich is beyond me.True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted October 4, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) There's a world of difference between playing a long pass and playing 'long ball'. This stat is meaningless. Is there? I'm not sure I really understand this argument. There isn't a team in the league who just wack it up the pitch to no one and chase it down (unless clearing the ball when under pressure). When we do á "long pass" it's generally to Benteke, when Stoke do them it's generally to Jones or Crouch. What's the difference? Or a better question, which team in the league plays "long balls" and not "long passes"?... to me, they're the same thing. Edited October 4, 2013 by PieFacE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) The stat isn't meaningless. At the same time, you have to take it with a grain of salt Edited October 4, 2013 by Kwan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge-AVFC Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. That's because we're a counter attacking team. There is a big difference between counter attacking and playing long ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Villa, 3rd lowest on Whoscored's possession table for all of the major leagues they do stats for. That's pretty worrying. Pass accuracy isn't very good either. Much room for improvement. That's because we're a counter attacking team. There is a big difference between counter attacking and playing long ball.I agree, but my point is, if we only play counter attack we're going to struggle. It seems like there is no ability to mix it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 The stat isn't meaningless. At the same time, you have to take it with a grain of salt Sorry but it's a totally useless stat. There's no comparison, or context to make it meaningful. For example what are the percentages for the rest of the league? If the majority are around 15-15.5% then it's nothing remarkable to be just outside that range, if the majority are around 7% then it's more significant. We've played four of the sides expected to be fighting for at least Champions League in the first six games. These games are more likely to see us belting it from defence to 'clear the decks' so that's a factor. We've played a quarter of the season so far without Benteke and yet we've scored 44.5% of our goals since he's been out and have won every game. That could be interpreted as we're better without Benteke, which of course is ridiculous, it's a meaningless statistic. For statistics to have any value there has to be a reasonable amount of data to draw from and six games is not enough, in my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) So the stats back me up! I'm sure nobody could have failed to have noticed those hoofs from Guzan to Benteke. To be fair though I think it's a case of needs must at the moment. We thought when Lambert first game in and for many games last season he had a definite style he wanted to play which didn't involve long balls and flick ons (percentage football) but this season we have seen quite a bit of that. It can be effective though and can secure us mid-table but eventually we would like something more dynamic. Apart from Benteke and maybe Westwood I would suggest we don't have the players to play more possession based football at the moment. I will also point out Belgium make that goal-kick to Benteke play all the time. Winning games because we were the better football team as opposed to getting a few lucky breaks (as per vs City) should be the aim. Edited October 4, 2013 by supernova26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Guzan has a very accurate kick, and Benteke wins flick ons or, better still, brings the ball down and holds it up 9 times out of 10. Why pass it around at the back and risk being put under pressure when you can almost guarantee keeping possession in the opponents third of the pitch. It'll be interesting to see how that long ball stat changes over the next few games. Last couple of games we've continued to do it with Kozak being the target, but it's nowhere near as effective so we may go back to seeing our defence and midfield look to pass it up the pitch more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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