Christian Benteke

[HalfTimePost]

Bullshit merchants out in full force tonight.

 

 

 

Jonvilla

June 3, 2013 at 22:02Reply

We’re gonna have a lot of money to spend. Sadly from what I have heard Benteke will be confirmed at athletico Madrid tomorrow for 28m euros.

 

From the comments section at AVillaFan.com

 

Wouldn't have posted but I think Benteke going abroad would be the best out come of us selling him. £23m wouldn't be enough. And definitely not before the window is officially open. Could easily push for another £5-8m if a bid of £23m was to be put in already.

Edited June 3, 2013 by HalfTimePost

[dukes]

It'll come down to which clubs can make the best sales pitch. If Arsenal and Spurs are indeed interested and are willing to put up the fee (which I don't think they will be) he'll end up there. If they won't then the only other threat in England is Liverpool. Can't see him moving abroad again, twice in 2 seasons. Based on what he's said I can't see him staying at Villa I'm afraid. i think he would take any step up that was available and then look to keep moving up the ladder.

 

I think you'll find it will come down to him having 3 years on his existing contract, and we don't want to sell him, so I imagine regardless of Benteke "being willing to take any move up the ladder" there is the small matter of Liverpool making Villa an offer we simply could not refuse (which is likely to be way over £20M considering after Messi and Ronaldo he is 2013's top league scorer in Europe).

 

Anyway, how's Gareth Barry's transfer been working out on Merseyside ? 

[CI]

My valuation on CB is about £35m.

To Liverpool though, I wouldnt accept a penny under £50m.

[Con]

My valuation on CB is about £35m.

To Liverpool though, I wouldnt accept a penny under £50m.

 

Yup. Benteke make the difference between 8th and 6th. We can't just hand him over to our primary mid-table rivals.

 

I would accept £40m though. 

[Robbie09]

 

Nah.. can't see the Liverpool thing tbh... Not even in the Champs League...

 

Liverpool 2010-2020 = Villa 1990 - 2000 in my opinion... Living on past glories.

 

In that respect you could say in some bizarre kind of way we are ahead of them as we have already hopefully done our transition into a new streamlined club. Now we just need to build a good team & repair the clubs severely damaged reputation thus filling out Villa Park again & hopefully expansion, European football & trophies as a result.... a few years off yet mind!...

 

I see Liverpool as not having quite realized yet that they need to follow a similar path. They still think they are a bully when in fact nobody else is scared of them anymore...

 

I can see CB going to London IF he moves & even that may not be until next season... May depend on his family though..he did say he would speak with his family about it so i guess it depends if they are settled in the area or not?

 

Liverpool have already done what you are saying Villa have done. I have no idea how you can say Villa "are ahead of Liverpool" in any shape, way or form other than pure tribalism.

 

All the overpaid dross is gone. Wages are down to 60% of turnover come next release of accounts. Johnson is the only player in the first team left who is on a contract bigger than he deserves/earns. Dalglish and Comolli who were the the big problem financially and signing players and getting it wrong are gone, a brand new scouting team has been robbed from Man City and there is a Committee approach to signings now with no one person having ultimate say over who is bought.

 

The building of a more financially effcient team has started with two class buys in Sturridge and Coutinho who cost less than Downing combined. Liverpool will get permission to finally start expansion of Anfield by end of Summer. All the debt we have is owed to our owners (£80m when it used to be £240m) who have promised they will not take money from the club to be repaid they hope to get it back when they sell the club.

 

Still a lonngggg way to go for Liverpool, but lets get our facts right, everything off the field at Liverpool is better than its been for a long, long time. The challenge now is replicating the superb work that's been done by the Executives, on the football side of things, which is going to be so hard when Arsenal, City, Utd, Chelsea all have bigger revenues to spend and Spurs have built up a great side that they seem to manage to keep going strong fighting for 4th, even when losing their best players like Modric and VDV. 

 

There's been a big gamble made on 1) Brendan Rodger's being the right man for the job and 2) Trying to copy a Spurs-like strategy of investing in top scouts to find affordable, potential world class players, before the bigger clubs get on to them, and having these players fulfil their potential with you, before being swiped by the bigger clubs. Signings such as Alonso, Mascherano, Suarez and now potentially Coutinho. If this gamble works then it will pay of massivley on and off the field, if it does not, then Liverpool may end up stuck outside the top 4 for a generation.

 

Whilst a lot of what you are saying about things off the field at Liverpool are better than they have been for a long time may be so, the cold harsh truth is you are way behind the top 4 and nowhere near Champions League places. How often do you hear a player say he's chosen to sign for a club because everything off the field is strong?

 

All level headed Villa fans accept that at some stage Benteke will move on, maybe this summer, if not certainly next summer. However he is far too good for Liverpool and bigger and better clubs than Liverpool will offer him what all footballers want which is Champions League regardless of how well set up they are off the field.

[StanBalaban]

It'll come down to which clubs can make the best sales pitch. If Arsenal and Spurs are indeed interested and are willing to put up the fee (which I don't think they will be) he'll end up there. If they won't then the only other threat in England is Liverpool. Can't see him moving abroad again, twice in 2 seasons. Based on what he's said I can't see him staying at Villa I'm afraid. i think he would take any step up that was available and then look to keep moving up the ladder.

 

I think you'll find it will come down to him having 3 years on his existing contract, and we don't want to sell him, so I imagine regardless of Benteke "being willing to take any move up the ladder" there is the small matter of Liverpool making Villa an offer we simply could not refuse (which is likely to be way over £20M considering after Messi and Ronaldo he is 2013's top league scorer in Europe).

 

Anyway, how's Gareth Barry's transfer been working out on Merseyside ?

I think the most salient point to all the gossip merchants is that we have thus far heard of a multitude of potential destinations on paper, yet no actual offers from any of these clubs.

[CI]

My valuation on CB is about £35m.

To Liverpool though, I wouldnt accept a penny under £50m.

 

Yup. Benteke make the difference between 8th and 6th. We can't just hand him over to our primary mid-table rivals.

 

I would accept £40m though.

That's the way I see it. We are now in a mini league with

Us

Liverpool

Everton

West Ham

Swansea

[StanBalaban]

My valuation on CB is about £35m.

To Liverpool though, I wouldnt accept a penny under £50m.

 

Yup. Benteke make the difference between 8th and 6th. We can't just hand him over to our primary mid-table rivals.

 

I would accept £40m though.

If you're going to finish 6th, yu may as well finish 8th as both positions win you **** all.

[Con]

It's a good thing Liverpool are well-run now like Aston Villa.

 

 

That's the way I see it. We are now in a mini league with
Us
Liverpool
Everton
West Ham
Swansea

 

 

+ Newcastle

 

 

Liverpool are in a strong position but other clubs have closed the gap in quality and now Suarez is leaving it's getting hard to point out any Liverpool players who would get into a Champions League side.

Edited June 3, 2013 by Con

[Robbie09]

 

My valuation on CB is about £35m.

To Liverpool though, I wouldnt accept a penny under £50m.

 

Yup. Benteke make the difference between 8th and 6th. We can't just hand him over to our primary mid-table rivals.

 

I would accept £40m though. 

 

As stated earlier by others, given they paid £20m for Downing and £35m for Carroll then Benteke is worth at least £40m

Edited June 3, 2013 by Robbie09

[CI]

I think Newcastle are In a mess tbh. Put money on Pardew being the first PL sacking next season.

[samjp26]

Villa remain confident of keeping Benteke and will offer him new terms, but Lambert rubbished suggestions that a Demba Ba-style clause could be inserted.

"I don't think you can put any figures in because it just creates problems," Lambert told the Birmingham Mail.

Http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8686590/Premier-League-No-clauses-in-deal-for-Christian-Benteke

(Regarding talk of a release clause)

[TRO]

 

 

My valuation on CB is about £35m.

To Liverpool though, I wouldnt accept a penny under £50m.

 

Yup. Benteke make the difference between 8th and 6th. We can't just hand him over to our primary mid-table rivals.

 

I would accept £40m though.

If you're going to finish 6th, yu may as well finish 8th as both positions win you **** all.

 

 

 

 

Its good to finish 6th if its on the back of playing believeable/sustainable football.....that in terms of development, means you are progressing to better things. Its kind of a barometer to where your going.

 

kinda like now.

 

[Con]

No release clause? I like it. We have the strong hand in the negotiations and are not giving an inch.

 

 

As stated earlier by others, given they paid £20m for Downing and £35m for Carroll then Benteke is worth at least £40m

 

Benteke would guarantee a 6th place finish, just outside the Europa League spot. Definitely worth the money.

[CI]

Villa remain confident of keeping Benteke and will offer him new terms, but Lambert rubbished suggestions that a Demba Ba-style clause could be inserted.

"I don't think you can put any figures in because it just creates problems," Lambert told the Birmingham Mail.

Http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8686590/Premier-League-No-clauses-in-deal-for-Christian-Benteke

(Regarding talk of a release clause)

Thanks for clarifying this

[John]

Have Liverpool even paid the full fee for Downing yet? They seem to like signing their players on the "never-never" basis (at least from us) and if they really want him I guess there would be photographs of him waving a Liverpool scarf in a bar by now and they would have offered £14m and then increased it to £17m and told us that was all he was worth and we should not deny him his dream move before in time going as high as £20m over say 3 years interest free. He can do better than Liverpool although they will pay more than we are likely to offer and money talks very loud for players and their agents. He will see a move to them as a step up although it is not a big one and I hope he will give us another year if he does not get a better offer.

Edited June 3, 2013 by John

[Philosopher]

Personally I think this is just media bullshit! The only quotes of Benteke wanting out are miss-quotes!

 

He actually said if he had to stay at villa he would be happy to do so.  Even his agent who has been heavilly critcised by some fellow Villa fans has said any deal would be subject to ALL parties being happy! The only team Benteke wants to really join( that have been linked) is Arsenal and its clear he is a fan.  I personally don't see Arsenal spending in excess of 25m (which is what it will take to sign him), as we all know they don't spend more than 15m on any player, which is probably why thats the proposed fee in the media.  The media are just spewing the bullshit the agents give them. Benteke is the hottest striking property in the league outside of the two manchester clubs in the prem and probably every agent wants a piece of any deal so are probably trying to worm their way in!

 

Lambert knows how important benteke is to us and that it is suicide two sell a player we have just built our entire team around! we will end up in another relegatiion dogfight! Randy knows how much selling our best players has hurt us so I cannot see any possibility of Benteke going unless he really did go to 'war' with Villa this summer, which is unlikely as the player himself has said he won't do that. 

 

Benteke owes Lambert (not so much Villa) as lambert not only brought him in in place of a proven goalscorer, but built the entire team around his talent.  That is some major faith which need more than just one good season to repay,  as he will put us back in the shit if he leaves this summer.  Plus its in his own interest, he still needs regular matches, under Wenger's rotation his form is bound to suffer, plus Benteke may be unplayable but he missed a lot chances last season so still needs to polish his finishing! In the Braford tie he should've have a hat-trick in each match, such were the chances he spurned!  For all the talk of us being a one man team, we really played to his strengths and brought the best out of him as a result, he won't get this at a 'top' team with his current status.

 

And as a passing thought if we improve the defence with a quality CB, bring a good creative midfielder and keep that front three (Benteke, Weimann, Gabby) at the club and fit we could have one hell of a season!

[CI]

Hopefully the media will lay off CB now and concentrate on the Suarez and Bale transfers that will happen this summer, Mourinhio's return and the rise to martyrdom of the Ox.

[Woodytom]

 

I would of stuck by him like Lambert. It was clear as day from the off that he was better than both Bent and Heskey by some margin. You only had to see the way he played to see that. He owes us nothing really. he has done exactly what we paid him to do and more. He is an absolutely top notch player that is far too good for us and it will be some time before we see a player as good in a villa shirt.

Wow! I think he's going to be a great player but in my opinion your comments are way over the top.  He's had a really great first season for us and showed immense potential and scored a bucket load of goals.

 

He isn't too good for us, that's a bizarre statement to make.  He owes us another three years on his contract that he signed last year so he does owe us something.  We also were the team that took the gamble on him (you may say it wasn't a gamble but nobody else put a real challenge in to buy him over us).  I think he's had a really great first season but like many that have come before him at our club and other clubs he needs to continue to do it at this level into the second season and then some big club can buy him.

 

I can name a number of players that I feel were better than him at our club in prior years, different positions and consistent over a number of years so if we did lose him i'm sure over the next couple of years we would get somebody else of quality in the club.

 

 

 

I would be interested to know what players were better than him. Were they better than him in as bad as a team that he has been in. Were they as young as him? Were they already making an impression on an international stage. I cant think of any that were making the impression Benteke has made at his age. 

 

I dont think its a bizarre statement to make. So are you telling me 15th in the premiership is his level?

 

People just look to his goals. Its far more than that. The quality of his goals for a start. His technique. The way he brings people into play. The kids the real deal. You only have to think of the amount of academy players that we have banged on about on here over the last few years. The vast majority of them turn out to be absolutely useful. If they were going to be any good, theyd be good at a young age. They would make an impact at a young age instead of 'looking lively'. Benteke has done that on a monumental scale and I am still absolutely astounded he did not win the player of the year award and I dont think it did our chances of keeping hold of him much good (not that it would have done much - The lad is off). 

Edited June 3, 2013 by Woodytom

[legov]

 

Nah.. can't see the Liverpool thing tbh... Not even in the Champs League...

 

Liverpool 2010-2020 = Villa 1990 - 2000 in my opinion... Living on past glories.

 

In that respect you could say in some bizarre kind of way we are ahead of them as we have already hopefully done our transition into a new streamlined club. Now we just need to build a good team & repair the clubs severely damaged reputation thus filling out Villa Park again & hopefully expansion, European football & trophies as a result.... a few years off yet mind!...

 

I see Liverpool as not having quite realized yet that they need to follow a similar path. They still think they are a bully when in fact nobody else is scared of them anymore...

 

I can see CB going to London IF he moves & even that may not be until next season... May depend on his family though..he did say he would speak with his family about it so i guess it depends if they are settled in the area or not?

 

Liverpool have already done what you are saying Villa have done. I have no idea how you can say Villa "are ahead of Liverpool" in any shape, way or form other than pure tribalism.

 

All the overpaid dross is gone. Wages are down to 60% of turnover come next release of accounts. Johnson is the only player in the first team left who is on a contract bigger than he deserves/earns. Dalglish and Comolli who were the the big problem financially and signing players and getting it wrong are gone, a brand new scouting team has been robbed from Man City and there is a Committee approach to signings now with no one person having ultimate say over who is bought.

 

The building of a more financially effcient team has started with two class buys in Sturridge and Coutinho who cost less than Downing combined. Liverpool will get permission to finally start expansion of Anfield by end of Summer. All the debt we have is owed to our owners (£80m when it used to be £240m) who have promised they will not take money from the club to be repaid they hope to get it back when they sell the club.

 

Still a lonngggg way to go for Liverpool, but lets get our facts right, everything off the field at Liverpool is better than its been for a long, long time. The challenge now is replicating the superb work that's been done by the Executives, on the football side of things, which is going to be so hard when Arsenal, City, Utd, Chelsea all have bigger revenues to spend and Spurs have built up a great side that they seem to manage to keep going strong fighting for 4th, even when losing their best players like Modric and VDV. 

 

There's been a big gamble made on 1) Brendan Rodger's being the right man for the job and 2) Trying to copy a Spurs-like strategy of investing in top scouts to find affordable, potential world class players, before the bigger clubs get on to them, and having these players fulfil their potential with you, before being swiped by the bigger clubs. Signings such as Alonso, Mascherano, Suarez and now potentially Coutinho. If this gamble works then it will pay of massivley on and off the field, if it does not, then Liverpool may end up stuck outside the top 4 for a generation.

 

 

I really think Liverpool will do well next season, probably not top 4 as it seemingly takes forever to close that gap (see Spurs), but Sturridge is a good buy and Coutinho looks..something special.

 

That said, I think Benteke really has been misquoted in the media (tribalism? maybe). Apart from dubious tabloid stories, there's nothing so far that suggests he's dying to go at this moment in time. I'm not saying I'm certain he will stay, but his departure isn't the certainty it's been made out to be.

 

(also, why do you keep playing Johnson?! He's cack )