CI Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yes but he knows that in the next 12-24 months more of the big earners will be gone on Bosnans - Cuellar, Dunne, Collins, Guzan, Heskey, Petrov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadoftrinity Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yes but he knows that in the next 12-24 months more of the big earners will be gone on Bosnans - Cuellar, Dunne, Collins, Guzan, Heskey, Petrov We could still have signed Robert Green and Gabriel Obertan if he was really trying to be a cheapskate. Time will tell but hopefully we will try and push on again when we have our wages in check. All we can hope is the money he has invested in our manager is money well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If we are to push on as a club I'm afraid we have the wrong manager for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 27, 2011 Moderator Share Posted October 27, 2011 If we are to push on as a club I'm afraid we have the wrong manager for it. We probably have the wrong owner too, I'm not actually knocking randy either, it's just he doesn't have the money to take us to those places, very few people do. We have a decent manager for where were are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 We have a decent manager for where were are right now. Interested to know how you can say that after the first 9 games of the season. Only two wins - against the two bottom sides in the PL at home - and scraping draws that we should probably have lost in most cases. Horrible football for the most part. Much of our attacking resource, with the exception of Gabby, looking really out of form. A big hole in CM which he didn't address in the summer and we (well I certainly am) are hoping a young kid - Herd - can fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 27, 2011 Moderator Share Posted October 27, 2011 We have a decent manager for where were are right now. Interested to know how you can say that after the first 9 games of the season. Probably because I realise where we actually are right now. For the next couple of season's at least, we've moved from challengers to survivalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 We have a decent manager for where were are right now. Interested to know how you can say that after the first 9 games of the season. Probably because I realise where we actually are right now. For the next couple of season's at least, we've moved from challengers to survivalists Interesting. Does our manager specialise in survival then? Last time I checked he'd taken his previous team down twice in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 telegraph Benoît Assou-Ekotto calls on Tottenham's owners to fight to keep leading players at White Hart Lane Tottenham defender Benoît Assou-Ekotto has warned that the club must keep their leading players or risk “ending up like Aston Villa”. The French-born Cameroon international singled out Villa as an example of a club failing to show enough ambition to compete at the highest level. His comments are likely to cause consternation at Villa Park, where the owner, Randy Lerner, has been criticised by a section of supporters for not pumping more money into the club. Villa have lost several prominent players in recent seasons: James Milner was sold to Manchester City, Stewart Downing left for Liverpool and Ashley Young was bought by Manchester United, for a combined income of £63million. In contrast, Tottenham successfully fended off an attempt from Chelsea to sign playmaker Luka Modric in the summer, while the Wales international Gareth Bale also remained at White Hart Lane, despite attracting interest from some of Europe’s elite clubs. Assou-Ekotto, 27, believes Spurs must retain that hard-line stance if they are to realise their ambition of becoming regulars in the Champions League. “There’s a lot to be excited about at Spurs now with the new training ground and maybe a new stadium,” he said. “It feels like the future could be really good for the fans but if the players don’t stay, we could end up like Aston Villa. Related Articles “Not long ago, they were maybe two or three players away from becoming a top team. They didn’t buy them and they didn’t keep the ones who were already there and since that time, they have taken a few steps back. “Instead of being able to build on what they had, players ended up leaving Villa, so I hope Tottenham will make the right steps.” Assou-Ekotto also admitted he had been contacted by Paris Saint-Germain over a switch to France in the summer, and refused to rule out a possible future move to the club. “There was contact from Paris Saint-Germain about signing me but I didn’t push it,” he said. “I feel good in England, London and at Tottenham. “But if a player is earning £3 somewhere and another club offers him £6, he will ask his current club to match that offer. “If they don’t match it, he will move to another club, because he might feel undervalued. When you’re at Spurs, it’s like you’re with family. But you will not always refuse to better your professional career and earnings because you like the ‘family’ feeling.” Hopefully (but doubt it) a wake up call to Randy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Dein appointed Wenger. Without Wenger he would be just another average chairman. I think MON should have to a lot of shoulder the responsibility for player contracts. But ultimately the chain of command says its Randy who has to be responsible. If he didn’t like what was happening he could have stopped it. It was within his power. Looking at what has happened since MON left, you have to question Randy’s decisions.Of course you should always question Randy's decisions. I have, and I'm comparing him to other chairmen, and in my eyes he doesn't come out looking too bad. On the wages issue, it depends on how we work as a club. I personally think it would be crazy to not have the manager at the very centre of player contract negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 ^^Wake up Levy more like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadoftrinity Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Difference is, Spurs have a sustainable wage bill due to season ticket revenue been double ours and having a massive amount of extra leverage in sponsership been a London based club. Hence when Abramovich was trying to buy a club, he turned down the option of buying Villa because we were in Birmingham and "the long-term opportunities were limited". However, he wanted to buy Spurs but they never returned his calls, of course the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Difference is, Spurs have a sustainable wage bill due to season ticket revenue been double ours and having a massive amount of extra leverage in sponsership been a London based club. Hence when Abramovich was trying to buy a club, he turned down the option of buying Villa because we were in Birmingham and "the long-term opportunities were limited". However, he wanted to buy Spurs but they never returned his calls, of course the rest is history. Well then why did the Sheikhs go for Man City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadoftrinity Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Well then why did the Sheikhs go for Man City? Who knows, when they make a statement on it I will let you know. I was talking about an actual statement from the Chelsea chairman, about why Abramovich thought it wasn't a good idea to buy Villa but wanted to buy Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Difference is, Spurs have a sustainable wage bill due to season ticket revenue been double ours and having a massive amount of extra leverage in sponsership been a London based club. Hence when Abramovich was trying to buy a club, he turned down the option of buying Villa because we were in Birmingham and "the long-term opportunities were limited". However, he wanted to buy Spurs but they never returned his calls, of course the rest is history. Well then why did the Sheikhs go for Man City? Because its easier to sell something that is already well known and Manchester is very famous due to United. It also gives a global rivalry for fans and people love a rivalry, so for any new international fans of football who better to support than city. Marketing Villa and Birmingham would be tougher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 On the wages issue, it depends on how we work as a club. I personally think it would be crazy to not have the manager at the very centre of player contract negotiations. Agreed. Is the owner not able to set limits before negotiations take place though? At the end of the day the owner is the one who finally says yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Probably because I realise where we actually are right now. For the next couple of season's at least, we've moved from challengers to survivalists Why should we be "survivalists". I accept that we won't be challenging Citeh, Utd or Chelski any time soon but we did have the 7th largest income in the league on the latest figures I saw and one of the best academies/youth talent lines. I still think we should be capable of seeing of most teams outside the top 6, particularly when we are playing at home. And we should certainly be capable of playing a better standard of football, with the resources we have, than that which we have seen from McLeish to date. Wigan, Blackburn, Swansea, Norwich, Bolton etc. should be survivalists, to use your term, we should be looking at 7th to 10th IMO, playing some entertaining football and developing the strong youth pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadoftrinity Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Wigan, Blackburn, Swansea, Norwich, Bolton etc. should be survivalists, to use your term, we should be looking at 7th to 10th IMO, playing some entertaining football and developing the strong youth pipeline. I would completely agree with you on that, it will be a massive disappointment if we don't finish in the top 10 this season, personally, I still think we will but time will tell on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 telegraph The French-born Cameroon international singled out Villa as an example of a club failing to show enough ambition to compete at the highest level."ambition" has got nothing to do with selling Young, Milner and Downing. They all wanted out for bigger clubs or in the case of Milner, more money. We can't be expected to triple the wages of players who want out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 On the wages issue, it depends on how we work as a club. I personally think it would be crazy to not have the manager at the very centre of player contract negotiations. Agreed. Is the owner not able to set limits before negotiations take place though? At the end of the day the owner is the one who finally says yes or no.I suspect you and I know I don't know how we negotiate contracts. I'm guessing the best way to work would be to have a wage budget set by Randy, and have the manager negotiate individual contracts within this budget. The club may have some flexible limits over length and value of individual contracts with regards to age etc, but ultimately the manager should decide the players value, he is the most experienced person at the club to make that call. In that scenario, MON is mostly to blame for bit part players being on high wages... With regards to the budget, I think the intention was to go beyond our means with the gamble on success. That has now changed, for various reasons covered many many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 28, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2011 We have a decent manager for where were are right now. Interested to know how you can say that after the first 9 games of the season. Probably because I realise where we actually are right now. For the next couple of season's at least, we've moved from challengers to survivalists I agree with your assessment of where we are. But I don't agree the McLeish is a decent manager for that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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