mykeyb Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I may be alone in this but cannot really see how Pirelli are at fault for the weekend debacle. All the tyres that burst were the left rears and when Gary Anderson went down to the track after the race he said some of the kerb edges were razor sharp. Surely thats a circuit issue not a tyre issue. That said it would be good for teams to be able to choose between two tyre suppliers at the start of the season and the only reason they cannot is because of then you couldnt use the tyres to try and introduce some excitement into the whole debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 1, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2013 I may be alone in this but cannot really see how Pirelli are at fault for the weekend debacle. All the tyres that burst were the left rears and when Gary Anderson went down to the track after the race he said some of the kerb edges were razor sharp. Surely thats a circuit issue not a tyre issue.That said it would be good for teams to be able to choose between two tyre suppliers at the start of the season and the only reason they cannot is because of then you couldnt use the tyres to try and introduce some excitement into the whole debacle.The circuit has been like that for years. Therefore, the tyre you bring must be able to handle what is a known quantity.But where Pirelli aren't totally at fault is that they wanted to change the construction but couldn't get unanimous agreement from the teams. Ferrari, Lotus & Force India said no. So Pirelli were forced to go to Silverstone with a tyre they didn't want to go to Silverstone with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 @Eames totally agree about the circuit thing, taking f1 away from traditional tracks like san marino, austria, magny cours (i know san marino was due to them not upgrading the circuit) in favour of dust bowl tracks in the arse end of nowhere with no features, massive run off zones with no gravel traps so mistakes go unpunished. Turkey was a fantastic track unused cus of bernie lining his already bulging pockets. Then he puts bahrain as the curtain raiser? why 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 1, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2013 Turkey was an example of 2 things. Firstly, it showed that Tilke was able to create a good track and secondly it showed that Bernie is willing to give races to the back arse of nowhere with no appreciation for; or history in; F1. Resulting in empty grandstands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 2, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2013 Not F1 but motorsport so probably more relevant (and interesting) in here than anywhere else.A few days ago, Sebastian Loeb broke the Pikes Peak record. Now read the next bit slowly.He broke the record by a minute and a half.In his first ever Pikes Peak event.It was 10 minutes. It's now 8 and a half.What on earth has everyone else been doing all these years and just how good is this guy. Put simply he has to be one of the very best drivers that has ever lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Not F1 but motorsport so probably more relevant (and interesting) in here than anywhere else. A few days ago, Sebastian Loeb broke the Pikes Peak record. Now read the next bit slowly. He broke the record by a minute and a half. In his first ever Pikes Peak event. It was 10 minutes. It's now 8 and a half. What on earth has everyone else been doing all these years and just how good is this guy. Put simply he has to be one of the very best drivers that has ever lived. It's a shame Loeb has never raced in F1. He probably would have a become a world champion in f1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 2, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2013 He probably would have been. He did a few F1 tests and some car swapping stuff where an F1 driver gets his rally car for the day. He turned WRC into a parade for a decade, where before that, driver records were relatively small numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Not F1 but motorsport so probably more relevant (and interesting) in here than anywhere else. A few days ago, Sebastian Loeb broke the Pikes Peak record. Now read the next bit slowly. He broke the record by a minute and a half. In his first ever Pikes Peak event. It was 10 minutes. It's now 8 and a half. What on earth has everyone else been doing all these years and just how good is this guy. Put simply he has to be one of the very best drivers that has ever lived. That is incredibly impressive but must be said a lot was down to the fact it is now an all tarmac circuit (since last year). 4 drivers all broke the old record this year, but Loeb was a long way out in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 2, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yeah the others broke it by a matter of a few seconds. Something you'd expect could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Avfc96 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Although he is a great driver and dominated WRC for a decade, he never really had any competition. The likes of McRae, Gronholm, Makinen, Sainz and Solberg were all on a downward spiral in terms of their careers meaning that he had no sustained challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 2, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2013 Although he is a great driver and dominated WRC for a decade, he never really had any competition. The likes of McRae, Gronholm, Makinen, Sainz and Solberg were all on a downward spiral in terms of their careers meaning that he had no sustained challenge.I disagree. I think it's a measure of his superiority over every other driver that was perfectly capable of winning a WDC in any other era. It's why I and many others would say he's one of the greatest ever. I know some who say he IS the greatest driver who has ever lived. The trouble with the type of argument you have put forward (and it's an argument not unique to Loeb) is that it assumes the people he has beaten over the past decade are sub-standard solely because they're being beaten by him. And you've also chosen to assume the good guys he did beat were on a downward curve. You first have to assume that over a decade you are going to get a usual amount of drivers who would ordinarily be WDC standard in that decade, yet he has not only beaten them, he has battered them and torn up record books. Now that he has retired from WRC, the bar has gone back down to the normal level where a few guys will fight for the WRC as none of them stand out. Just like usual. Now crash specialists like McRae and his ilk will once again have a chance to win something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 2, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2013 And of course the big news. Lewis and Nicole have split. Again. Possibly why he was such an antisocial grumpy bugger on Sunday then: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I havent really enjoyed F1 post Senna. The days of Prost,Senna, Mansell, Piquet etc were much more exciting. F1 has become more of a precession these days rather than white knuckle competetive racing. Too safe and too dull most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 3, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yeah the others broke it by a matter of a few seconds. Something you'd expect could happen. Actually the guy who finished second broke the record (that he set last year) by 44 seconds. Still hugely impressive that Loeb beat him by a further 45 seconds ish. But still, the circuit changes must have helped a lot. (I don't know anything about it, I just googled it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yeah the circuit changes will have helped. Cursed safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted July 3, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yeah the circuit changes will have helped. Cursed safety As did the car he drove: A highly modified Pugeot with something like 650+ BHP, as a nod to the previous record set by Ari Vartenen in 1990 (in a pugeot 405). This is the original: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yeah the circuit changes will have helped. Cursed safety As did the car he drove: A highly modified Pugeot with something like 650+ BHP, as a nod to the previous record set by Ari Vartenen in 1990 (in a pugeot 405). No, all Pikes Peak cars are heavily heavily modified. Ari Vatanen's 'Peugeot 405' had 600bhp. Nobuhiro Tajima's Suzuki Escudo (of Gran Turismo fame) had 870bhp. That Vatanen video is legendary and well worth a watch for anyone who has never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Never heard of Pikes Peak before, but that video is brilliant, love the bit where he nonchalantly puts his hand up to stop the sun in his eyes. Fair play to Loeb as well, very talented driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted July 4, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2013 As did the car he drove: A highly modified Pugeot with something like 650+ BHP, as a nod to the previous record set by Ari Vartenen in 1990 (in a pugeot 405). No, all Pikes Peak cars are heavily heavily modified. Ari Vatanen's 'Peugeot 405' had 600bhp. Nobuhiro Tajima's Suzuki Escudo (of Gran Turismo fame) had 870bhp. That Vatanen video is legendary and well worth a watch for anyone who has never seen it. Ta. I wasn't aware of that. Also, I think that record was 1988 (not 1990). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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