Dr_Pangloss Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: Really no better than Rodgers Yes, that second place finish is looking way better than anything Klopp will do. People will say it was down to Suarez but Klopp has had loads of money to spend/ available and has failed to land a quality number 9 and any halfway decent defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Yes, that second place finish is looking way better than anything Klopp will do. People will say it was down to Suarez but Klopp has had loads of money to spend/ available and has failed to land a quality number 9 and any halfway decent defenders. Mane? and it was all down to Suarez. You can tell that by how Rodgers did after he left. Its like Barcelona not having Messi. Irreplaceable Edited September 17, 2017 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PaulC said: Mane? and it was all down to Suarez. You can tell that by how Rodgers did after he left. Its like Barcelona not having Messi. Irreplaceable not really true though. Sturridge had a great season got over 20 goals and Sterling, Gerrard, Henderson Skrtel and Coutinho all contributed as well to the attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PaulC said: Mane? No where near Suarez level IMO and isn't a number 9 anyway Edited September 17, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, Dr_Pangloss said: No where near Suarez level IMO and isn't a number 9 anyway Suarez was at the Messi level for two or three seasons I think. Not in terms if skill but in terms of what he brought to a team overall .He instantly raised the level of Barcelona which coincided with them wining the treble and the following season outscored Messi. You cant replace Suarez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Yes, that second place finish is looking way better than anything Klopp will do. People will say it was down to Suarez but Klopp has had loads of money to spend/ available and has failed to land a quality number 9 and any halfway decent defenders. But it was down to Suarez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: But it was down to Suarez. That's what he said wasn't it? Suarez pretty much got Liverpool to second under Rogers. Klopp doesn't have Suarez but has had a shit load of money and a reasonable amount of time to find his own top number 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Genie said: That's what he said wasn't it? Suarez pretty much got Liverpool to second under Rogers. Klopp doesn't have Suarez but has had a shit load of money and a reasonable amount of time to find his own top number 9. No it wasn't. He said "people will say it was down to Suarez" that really isn't the same thing. For a start it implies that it may be what others think but isn't what he thinks. But quite simply, Liverpool finishing second was down to Suarez. They got lucky when they picked him up for £20m to get that lucky again would be some doing. Yes Klopp's spent money and he has improved Liverpool but Suarez was the stand out player in the league by a considerable distance, Klopp doesn't have anything remotely close to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: No it wasn't. He said "people will say it was down to Suarez" that really isn't the same thing. For a start it implies that it may be what others think but isn't what he thinks. But quite simply, Liverpool finishing second was down to Suarez. They got lucky when they picked him up for £20m to get that lucky again would be some doing. Yes Klopp's spent money and he has improved Liverpool but Suarez was the stand out player in the league by a considerable distance, Klopp doesn't have anything remotely close to that. Yes paid we similar amount for Bent at the same time Edited September 17, 2017 by PaulC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, PaulC said: Yes paid a similar amount for Bent at the same time And they paid half as much again for Carroll! Suarez was one of the best signings in the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) He should have sold Coutinho for €140m and bought in a real top class striker like Bale, Aguero, Benzima, Aubameyang, Sanchez etc. Edited September 17, 2017 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Thing with Klopp is I assumed when they appointed him the aim was for him to be the manager who finally won them the league given his reputation and achievements at Dortmund. Brendan Rodgers delivered champions league football in 13/14 (should've been the title of course) and when he was sacked on 4th October 2015 they were 3 points off 4th (Palace were in that position at the time). If Liverpool just want to hover around 4th/5th they should've just kept Rodgers and given him a bit more help on transfers. I assumed Klopp would lift their mentality but he can't even sign a decent centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Genie said: He should have sold Courinho for €140m and bought in a real top class striker like Bale, Aguero, Benzima, Aubameyang, Sanchez etc. They already have a great attack. They need a world class keeper and defenders. Midfield who can dictate wouldn't go amiss either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Genie said: He should have sold Coutinho for €140m and bought in a real top class striker like Bale, Aguero, Benzima, Aubameyang, Sanchez etc. If any of them had been available (let alone interested) you might have a point... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Genie said: He should have sold Coutinho for €140m and bought in a real top class striker like Bale, Aguero, Benzima, Aubameyang, Sanchez etc. Definitely could have bought some quality defenders, Liverpool will never ever get that sort of bid for Coutinho again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Definitely could have bought some quality defenders, Liverpool will never ever get that sort of bid for Coutinho again. I do agree they should have cash in and strengthened elsewhere, I think that's a fair point. I do think the headline figure of the deal was misleading though, a huge chunk of that was dependent upon add on's and who knows how they were structured. As for not getting that bid again, we will see. They turned down £40m (and a penny) for Suarez and people said similar and then look what happened 12 months later, players aren't going to get cheaper that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Thing with Klopp is I assumed when they appointed him the aim was for him to be the manager who finally won them the league given his reputation and achievements at Dortmund. Brendan Rodgers delivered champions league football in 13/14 (should've been the title of course) and when he was sacked on 4th October 2015 they were 3 points off 4th (Palace were in that position at the time). If Liverpool just want to hover around 4th/5th they should've just kept Rodgers and given him a bit more help on transfers. I assumed Klopp would lift their mentality but he can't even sign a decent centre half. But then the standards of the Manchester squads have risen and City have Pep so its a an unrealistic expectation. yes he should have sorted the defence out but he was expecting to get Van Dijk. I also think its the style of play which puts extra pressure on the defence. You cant be high pressing and ultra attacking and not concede goals. unless your Barcelona under Pep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, PaulC said: But then the standards of the Manchester squads have risen and City have Pep so its a an unrealistic expectation. yes he should have sorted the defence out but he was expecting to get Van Dijk. I also think its the style of play which puts extra pressure on the defence. You cant be high pressing and ultra attacking and not concede goals. unless your Barcelona under Pep Should've been better last season then instead of f(k)lopping after xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: Should've been better last season then instead of f(k)lopping after xmas. They shouldn't have dropped so many points against the lesser teams I agree because their record against the big teams was better than anybodys. Bit like us with Kodjia they didn't do so well without Mane Edited September 17, 2017 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Mane is good but he is ridiculously overhyped that is used for the shit management at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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