rjw63 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I hope the .2% are given a one way ticket to Argentina Posted the very same thing on FB a couple of hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Given the UNs central tennet being the right to self-determination this issue ain't going anywhere. Sorry Argentina and your Harry Redknapp in drag president. The Falklands ain't going nowhere - and the oil £ is going to the UK Chancellor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 12, 2013 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2013 Some on the left...have always resented the UK's victory over Argie totalitarianism, precisely because it gave Thatcher the chance to continue (and eventually win) her campaign against the British militant left.. I don't think that's really so, Jon. There are plenty who regret that Thatcher wasn't hoofed out at the earliest possible, and I agree that the Falklands definitely saved her from getting hoofed out as soon as she should have been.There are also a fair few who think that her conduct during the conflict was far from perfect.But still, people can hold those views and do, yet still feel that the Argentinian Junta invading was wrong and feel that removing them was under the circs, for the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Some on the left...have always resented the UK's victory over Argie totalitarianism, precisely because it gave Thatcher the chance to continue (and eventually win) her campaign against the British militant left. There are plenty who regret that Thatcher wasn't hoofed out at the earliest possible, that would be the militant left surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I had a little dabble with Militant back in the day. They were like iphone owners, although it was all supposed to be secretly cool, they all had to tell you at the earliest opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I can’t say I’m sat here with a strong feeling either way about the Falklands, and I’d gladly admit to only having a passing interest in the history of the whole piece. But it feels to me like its more British than Argentine. If geographical proximity sorted things out then problems between China and Japan could be sorted with a GPS. Similarly, if history is the decider then either the USA is ours or it belongs to the indians, sorry first nations.But here’s a scenario or two:Brazil gets stronger and stronger, needs more chips, so steams up the Atlantic and takes one of our islands. Whichever one you fancy, White, Sheppey, Canvey, Rockall, Lundy. In fact, let’s make it Lundy. They then send over a load of settlers to make Lundy a little slice of Brazil. Every year for 150 years they have a carnival where ladyboys are a real hazard.Then Britain decides they want Lundy back. So Brazil and Lundy organise a referendum and 99.8% of the Brazilian descendants on lundy vote to stay Brazilian. Does that legitimately make it part of Brazil?Second one, supposing the WWII had ended in a bit of a stalemate and Germany had held on to Alderney. At what point would ‘we’ consider it legitimately part of Germany? 10 years? 100? 150? Or never? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 In a quasi-related note, does anyone else have an overwhelming urge to punch Sean Penn in the face, repeatedly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 In a quasi-related note, does anyone else have an overwhelming urge to punch Sean Penn in the face, repeatedly?Another Sean Penn would only turn up campaigning against punching Sean Penn . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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islingtonclaret Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Sean Penn must pay himself a lot of money whilst campigning to not punch himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'm sure that clearing in the woods Morrissey will have something to say about this. Add him to the punch in the face list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Mozza has always been a clearing in the woods. The Queen Is Dead is still a brilliant album though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 In a quasi-related note, does anyone else have an overwhelming urge to punch Sean Penn in the face, repeatedly? Yes. Yes I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Mozza has always been a clearing in the woods. The Queen Is Dead is still a brilliant album though. His songs just sound like Vic Reeves doing the club singer round on Shooting Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Next up Argentina lays claim to Vatican City on the grounds "there is a temporary Argentine population". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Oil. Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I can’t say I’m sat here with a strong feeling either way about the Falklands, and I’d gladly admit to only having a passing interest in the history of the whole piece. But it feels to me like its more British than Argentine. If geographical proximity sorted things out then problems between China and Japan could be sorted with a GPS. Similarly, if history is the decider then either the USA is ours or it belongs to the indians, sorry first nations. But here’s a scenario or two: Brazil gets stronger and stronger, needs more chips, so steams up the Atlantic and takes one of our islands. Whichever one you fancy, White, Sheppey, Canvey, Rockall, Lundy. In fact, let’s make it Lundy. They then send over a load of settlers to make Lundy a little slice of Brazil. Every year for 150 years they have a carnival where ladyboys are a real hazard. Then Britain decides they want Lundy back. So Brazil and Lundy organise a referendum and 99.8% of the Brazilian descendants on lundy vote to stay Brazilian. Does that legitimately make it part of Brazil? Second one, supposing the WWII had ended in a bit of a stalemate and Germany had held on to Alderney. At what point would ‘we’ consider it legitimately part of Germany? 10 years? 100? 150? Or never? missed this previously and its a good post worthy of a reply As you Know Sheppey was birthplace to my good self so I'll never let it fall to Brazilian imperialists .... but I think the Falklands was in an era before charters ,resolutions and unilateral agreements where you could take any land you wanted as long as you had a flag ( ) So if Brazil sailed up the Thames , in theory we would have the weight of the UN behind us ( we are after all not Palestine or Chechnya so would have their full support) .. Doesn't make past acts right of course , but I think such conquest is now impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Some on the left...have always resented the UK's victory over Argie totalitarianism, precisely because it gave Thatcher the chance to continue (and eventually win) her campaign against the British militant left. . I don't think that's really so, Jon. There are plenty who regret that Thatcher wasn't hoofed out at the earliest possible, and I agree that the Falklands definitely saved her from getting hoofed out as soon as she should have been. There are also a fair few who think that her conduct during the conflict was far from perfect. But still, people can hold those views and do, yet still feel that the Argentinian Junta invading was wrong and feel that removing them was under the circs, for the best. This this and thrice this Funny how the far right especially always see that war as some sort of justification for the evil that was Thatcher. The BS that the Tory party especially spout about that war not being about Oil hae long since been shown to be bollox. The Falklands is all about oil and nothing else. The Falklands cost the UK tax payer a fair chunk of money at the moment and at a time when this Gvmt are happy to hit the unemployed, the poor and the elderly with cuts you have to ask why they have not decided to cut the money flow to the Falklands. The reason is because of oil revenues that may come from there at some point. (Note: Most of the money is to support the armed forces based there) In 2010 the Grud ran this article link that is still pretty much valid today . They also ran this link again still very valid and a good indicator of the motivations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Sigh we did this argument to death at the 25th anniversary There wasn't any evidence to suggest it was about oil , you didn't produce any evidence then and I suspect you won't now either (and socialist today and left foot forward ramblings aren't evidence) The Argentinians were already drilling for oil prior to the conflict , and the British knew it , and were still happy to discuss giving the Falklands over to Argentina .... Where Argentina went wrong was its inexplicable decision to invade And that foreign aggression was what lead us to conflict and not the oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 Mozza has always been a clearing in the woods. The Queen Is Dead is still a brilliant album though. His songs just sound like Vic Reeves doing the club singer round on Shooting Stars. I can't even argue against that really. The Queen Is Dead is still a brilliant album though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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