Falkland Islands

[blandy]

 

Double standards. Pefidious Albion.

So doing the wrong thing in one place invalidates doing the right thing elsewhere?

Meh.

what it rather illustrates is the lack of principle in British Gov't actions. And that actions speak louder than words. If we really were all about principle and self determination and respecting the rights of Islanders, we wouldn't be doing things like Chagos.

Actions demonstrate that the various british Gov'ts act in the interests fo themselves - make the US happy and pleased with us - kick out some Islanders. Protect potential oil and fishing revenues - side with a different set of Islanders.

[Corcaigh]

 

 

I

think a decent compromise would be to keep the Falklands under British

administration, but let Argentina have rights pertaining to oil &

gas extraction in the south Atlantic, with a small token payment to the

Falklands public administration of course.

 

Why compromise? I don't see what's wrong with the current policy of letting the Islanders decide their own fate.

 

 

And

what I propose chimes in exactly with that. keep the Falklands British,

but let the Argentinians have the oil and gas. Everyone wins.

Whose waters is the oil and gas in?

 

The waters are in an area whose ownership are in dispute by a south American country which is close by, and a

knackered old colonial empire from north of the hemisphere which is still clinging desperately onto the last few baubles from its glory days.

 

The 19th Century has been and gone, time to accept that fact.

 

 

 

 

I think a decent compromise would be to keep the Falklands under British administration, but let Argentina have rights pertaining to oil & gas extraction in the south Atlantic, with a small token payment to the Falklands public administration of course.

 

Why compromise? I don't see what's wrong with the current policy of letting the Islanders decide their own fate.

 

 

And what I propose chimes in exactly with that. keep the Falklands British, but let the Argentinians have the oil and gas. Everyone wins.

Whose waters is the oil and gas in?

 

British, so why give up our oil to a bully like Argentina? To Hell with them.

 

Lol, the British are the victims here, not the bully. Quite the role reversal I'm sure you'll agree.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Corcaigh

[Awol]

Corcaigh, maybe you didn't get the memo but the Troubles are over. You can unload that Republican chip off your shoulder and chill out now.

[Mantis]

Yes, the 19th century has been and gone and it is indeed time to accept that fact. Supporters of Argentina's claims need to realise this more than anyone. They still think it's a case of Britain acting like a colonial power when in fact it is the Argentinians who are acting in this way by completely disregarding the views of the inhabitants of the island they're trying to colonise.

[kurtsimonw]

I'm enjoying Argentina's crying over this. How pathetic.

[Meath_Villan]

Corcaigh, maybe you didn't get the memo but the Troubles are over. You can unload that Republican chip off your shoulder and chill out now.

 

 

Woooooohhhhh Easy on there chief 

Edited March 20, 2013 by Meath_Villan

[Xann]

Corcaigh, maybe you didn't get the memo but the Troubles are over. You can unload that Republican chip off your shoulder and chill out now.

 

Jeez, Awol, please, unnecessary here.

[LondonLax]

We probably spend a lot more than 75 million and at a time where all we hear is about cutbacks to vital services that affect terminally ill, elderly, the vulnerable on society you feel that this is not an issue?

Surely if the UK is going to get a lot more than that £75m back from oil revenue to then spend on the terminally ill and the elderly than it makes perfect sense to defend the islands?

Not defending them and spending that money in other ways would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[blunther]

The waters are in an area whose ownership are in dispute by a south American country which is close by, and a

knackered old colonial empire from north of the hemisphere which is still clinging desperately onto the last few baubles from its glory days.

 

The 19th Century has been and gone, time to accept that fact.

 

You know the Falklands are hundreds of miles from the Argentinian coast right? They're not even in Argentine territorial waters. Perhaps on this basis the UK should claim the Faeroes. And maybe Ireland. Or perhaps France wants to put a claim in on the British Isles?

[Corcaigh]

Yes, the 19th century has been and gone and it is indeed time to accept that fact. Supporters of Argentina's claims need to realise this more than anyone. They still think it's a case of Britain acting like a colonial power when in fact it is the Argentinians who are acting in this way by completely disregarding the views of the inhabitants of the island they're trying to colonise.

 

Why can't the UK come to a solution with Argentina like it did with the Chinese over Hong Kong? A sharing of sovereignty and economic rights pertaining to the islands allows the Falklanders maintain their Britishness whilst alleviating Argentina concerns that the UK is only in it for the money.

 

Corcaigh,

maybe you didn't get the memo but the Troubles are over. You can unload

that Republican chip off your shoulder and chill out now.

 

Yeah I'm wearing my balaclava as I type this

 

 

 

The waters are in an area whose ownership are in dispute by a south American country which is close by, and a

knackered

old colonial empire from north of the hemisphere which is still

clinging desperately onto the last few baubles from its glory days.

 

The 19th Century has been and gone, time to accept that fact.

 

 

You

know the Falklands are hundreds of miles from the Argentinian coast

right? They're not even in Argentine territorial waters. Perhaps on this

basis the UK should claim the Faeroes. And maybe Ireland. Or perhaps

France wants to put a claim in on the British Isles?

 

The Shetland islands are a couple of hundred miles off the British coast, if a foreign power from the other side of the equator occupied them and then started laying claim to North Sea oil and gas reserves what would Britain do? Just stand there and take it? I think not.

Edited March 21, 2013 by Corcaigh

[tonyh29]

The Shetland islands are a couple of hundred miles off the British coast, if a foreign power from the other side of the equator occupied them and then started laying claim to North Sea oil and gas reserves what would Britain do? Just stand there and take it? I think not.

 

funny enough being young at the time the invasion happened , that's where we all started looking on the map at school , trying to work out what the heck the Argentinians were doing up there

 

it's true I did go to a bad school , not that anyone's ever noticed of course

[PauloBarnesi]

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands. 

[PauloBarnesi]

The Shetland islands are a couple of hundred miles off the British coast, if a foreign power from the other side of the equator occupied them and then started laying claim to North Sea oil and gas reserves what would Britain do? Just stand there and take it? I think not.

 

funny enough being young at the time the invasion happened , that's where we all started looking on the map at school , trying to work out what the heck the Argentinians were doing up there

 

it's true I did go to a bad school , not that anyone's ever noticed of course

 

That sounds like an urban myth to me; its in the Adrian Mole diaries, where his dad when being informed of the invasion leaps out of bed to defend the islands off the north of Scotland...

[Corcaigh]

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands. 

 

No one is saying give the Falklands to the Argentinians so they can turn it into Nuevo Buenos Aires, rather come to an agreement whereby oil & gas revenues are split between the Falklands & Argentinians. That afterall is whats it all about really, with a settlement t Everyone wins.

Edited March 21, 2013 by Corcaigh

[bickster]

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands.

 

No one is saying give the Falklands to the Argentinians so they can turn it into Nuevo Buenos Aires, rather come to an agreement whereby oil & gas revenues are split between the Falklands & Argentinians. That afterall is whats it all about really, with a settlement t Everyone wins.

But Argentina have no logical claim over the islands (and their resource) under international law. It's well outside their territorial waters. The population aren't Argentinian, they are British.

[Awol]

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands.

 

No one is saying give the Falklands to the Argentinians so they can turn it into Nuevo Buenos Aires, rather come to an agreement whereby oil & gas revenues are split between the Falklands & Argentinians. That afterall is whats it all about really, with a settlement t Everyone wins.

Already been done but the Argies tore up the profit sharing agreement in 2007. If they weren't such petulant children they could have built the infrastructure in Argentina to refine the crude and made a packet on that too, but no.

**** them, they don't deserve anything.

[thetrees]

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent?  

Curiously the largest proportion of the Argentina population are of Italian descent, with most being eligible for an Italian passport.

I have never quite worked out why!

[Corcaigh]

 

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands.

 

No one is saying give the Falklands to the Argentinians so they can turn it into Nuevo Buenos Aires, rather come to an agreement whereby oil & gas revenues are split between the Falklands & Argentinians. That afterall is whats it all about really, with a settlement t Everyone wins.

 

But Argentina have no logical claim over the islands (and their resource) under international law. It's well outside their territorial waters. The population aren't Argentinian, they are British.

 

Argentina have more a claim to the Falklands and the waters around it then a country thousands of miles away. And to be frank, international law is an ass. Its not as if the UK doesn't pick n' mix when it chooses to follow international law.

 

With regards to the nationality of the Falklanders, surely they are Falklandese rather then British per se? Even countries with island relics from their colonial days, The Dutch and The Danish, don't consider their island possessions as 'Danish' or 'Dutch'. More so they recognise them for what they are; legacy territories under imperial control. 

[Corcaigh]

 

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands.

 

No one is saying give the Falklands to the Argentinians so they can turn it into Nuevo Buenos Aires, rather come to an agreement whereby oil & gas revenues are split between the Falklands & Argentinians. That afterall is whats it all about really, with a settlement t Everyone wins.

 

Already been done but the Argies tore up the profit sharing agreement in 2007. If they weren't such petulant children they could have built the infrastructure in Argentina to refine the crude and made a packet on that too, but no.

**** them, they don't deserve anything.

 

Yes I've just read through the thread Awol and I think we can ascribe your position on falklands to 'The Sun' school of international diplomacy.

[tonyh29]

 

 

Why are the people running a country in South American mainly of Spanish descent? Should they be telling another country populated by people from another European country who are actually mainly from other European countries, who are actually all descended from people by in Africa? 

 

So its all a bit of a mess, and no one can claim some moral ground about how near they are to the islands. 

 

As for the making an agreement; this has been tried and the two sides can’t agree; so maybe we should agree to disagree? Or do the right thing and let the islanders get on with it.

 

And as for the Shetland Islands; they are around 100 miles away from the British mainland and maybe 60 miles or so from the Orkney islands.

 

No one is saying give the Falklands to the Argentinians so they can turn it into Nuevo Buenos Aires, rather come to an agreement whereby oil & gas revenues are split between the Falklands & Argentinians. That afterall is whats it all about really, with a settlement t Everyone wins.

 

Already been done but the Argies tore up the profit sharing agreement in 2007. If they weren't such petulant children they could have built the infrastructure in Argentina to refine the crude and made a packet on that too, but no.

**** them, they don't deserve anything.

 

Yes I've just read through the thread Awol and I think we can ascribe your position on falklands to 'The Sun' school of international diplomacy.

 

actually if you had read them you'd have seen some knowledgeable and well written comments .. you may not agree but leave the insults and present your own arguments instead and we can all join in ...