steaknchips Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would expect a similar goal from Deschamps too.These would build throughout! With players leaving Marseille left right and centre just at the moment, it would be an excellent time to make a move for him. However, I fear if we did it would only trigger bigger clubs to declare their interest (possibly Chelski). This is where Houllier could be useful for us.. Deschamps will be already acustomed to some of the training thats already set up by Duverne. It will also very likely keep Duverne at the club.. Deschamps would be a smooth replacement after Houllier, not too much change with what Houllier has already started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanvilla_1994 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 For the record, as much as I hate what he did 5 days before season start, I'd have MON back. I wouldn't Same here, I lost every ounce of respect i had for him when he did that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittain22 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 This is just me putting two and two together but doesn’t Mark Hughes have a break clause which can be activated tomorrow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Please not mark hughes.... for the love of god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond_Joe_Quimby Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Moyes please.......gone as far as he can at Everton mainly due to lack of cash he needs a new challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Moyes for me too. Has to be the best man for the job and he has proved that he can take teams with little money and make them play attractive successful football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would expect a similar goal from Deschamps too.These would build throughout! With players leaving Marseille left right and centre just at the moment, it would be an excellent time to make a move for him. However, I fear if we did it would only trigger bigger clubs to declare their interest (possibly Chelski). This is where Houllier could be useful for us.. Deschamps will be already acustomed to some of the training thats already set up by Duverne. It will also very likely keep Duverne at the club.. Deschamps would be a smooth replacement after Houllier, not too much change with what Houllier has already started. I'm pretty sure Deschamps has always worked with a DOF as well, so Houllier could probably carry on in that role if we appointed Deschamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 31, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would expect a similar goal from Deschamps too.These would build throughout! With players leaving Marseille left right and centre just at the moment, it would be an excellent time to make a move for him. However, I fear if we did it would only trigger bigger clubs to declare their interest (possibly Chelski). This is where Houllier could be useful for us.. Deschamps will be already acustomed to some of the training thats already set up by Duverne. It will also very likely keep Duverne at the club.. Deschamps would be a smooth replacement after Houllier, not too much change with what Houllier has already started. I'm pretty sure Deschamps has always worked with a DOF as well, so Houllier could probably carry on in that role if we appointed Deschamps.This would send the French-haters on here into meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would expect a similar goal from Deschamps too.These would build throughout! With players leaving Marseille left right and centre just at the moment, it would be an excellent time to make a move for him. However, I fear if we did it would only trigger bigger clubs to declare their interest (possibly Chelski). This is where Houllier could be useful for us.. Deschamps will be already acustomed to some of the training thats already set up by Duverne. It will also very likely keep Duverne at the club.. Deschamps would be a smooth replacement after Houllier, not too much change with what Houllier has already started. I'm pretty sure Deschamps has always worked with a DOF as well, so Houllier could probably carry on in that role if we appointed Deschamps. Its a perfect appointment...He very knowledgable, he has a fantastic season in France, he is still very young in manager terms.. And most importantly Makoun would have somebody to talk too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would expect a similar goal from Deschamps too.These would build throughout! With players leaving Marseille left right and centre just at the moment, it would be an excellent time to make a move for him. However, I fear if we did it would only trigger bigger clubs to declare their interest (possibly Chelski). This is where Houllier could be useful for us.. Deschamps will be already acustomed to some of the training thats already set up by Duverne. It will also very likely keep Duverne at the club.. Deschamps would be a smooth replacement after Houllier, not too much change with what Houllier has already started. I'm pretty sure Deschamps has always worked with a DOF as well, so Houllier could probably carry on in that role if we appointed Deschamps. This would send the French-haters on here into meltdown. True, but that would entertain me greatly so it's another plus for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Its a perfect appointment...He very knowledgable, he has a fantastic season in France, he is still very young in manager terms.. And most importantly Makoun would have somebody to talk too Actually, this season hasn't been quite so fantastic, really tapered of in the last couple of months. Still has an excellent record though and I agree with pretty much everything else you said about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Everton's League positions under Moyes: 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th. That is with a a lack of funds. 6 out of 8 seasons under Moyes, Everton have finished above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 It's best that people remember that only managers with premier league experience will be considered. So that should remove many if the speculative names thrown around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond_Joe_Quimby Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Everton's League positions under Moyes: 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th. That is with a a lack of funds. 6 out of 8 seasons under Moyes, Everton have finished above us. Imagine wat he could do with a reasonable funding level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 This would send the French-haters on here into meltdown. An Englishman is born with a French hating gene you know!!! It a law of nature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Everton's League positions under Moyes: 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th. That is with a a lack of funds. 6 out of 8 seasons under Moyes, Everton have finished above us. Imagine wat he could do with a reasonable funding levelHe has a reasonable level of funding. Just because it hasn't been on Citeh proportions doesn't mean he hasn't had any at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 31, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2011 This would send the French-haters on here into meltdown. An Englishman is born with a French hating gene you know!!! It a law of nature!Not this Englishman. Vive l'entente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 He has a reasonable level of funding. Just because it hasn't been on Citeh proportions doesn't mean he hasn't had any at all. TBF that funding has come from selling his better players for large fees! He'll fit straight in here then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hughes please, showed he's got what it takes at fulham. Wales, Blackburn, Man City, Fulham. No failure there imv No thanks... No failures but not much to shout about either. Excellent at wales and blackburn, shafted at city when he could have got them 4th. First season back and he has a fine season with fulham. He's a manager on the up in my opinion. I can't see him not getting strong backing from fans if appointed. I'd be cautious about Moyes, been at one club for so long hard to know I'd he could match that if he came here. Hughes would be the better option in my opinion. Hughes is rubbish.. He paid waaaay over the odds for Lesscott, Bridge, Santa Cruz, SWP etc... He basically does what any run of mill Premiership manager could do.. Moyes is also just another run of the mill Premiership manager.. If any of those get appointed, its basically Villa throwing in the towel over EVER being champions again..Neither have the brains to build the club into something special. We need a manager with vision into the future that will take the club forward...Not a manager that just thinks of boosting his own CV... Rijkaard would come in a build the club and would also give us great hope of becoming champions again. I would expect a similar goal from Deschamps too.These would build throughout! Ancelotti and Benitez are another 2 managers that will be no good for us. Because they wont build depth, it will be an half decent 1st team squad only.. But no future.. You can't judge those transfer fees as any kind of reflection of the valuation Hughes' may or may not have placed on those players - Man City pay over the odds by default due to their widely acknowledged wealth. What you can judge him on is his overall transfer record and the fact remains that though the likes of Bridge, Wright-Phillips, Santa Cruz, Bellamy etc. all drifted out of first team plans rather quickly when he departed, Hughes built the core of the side that has since gone on to finish third in the league and win the FA Cup - Kompany (for a bargain £6m!), Lescott (who for all of his first season inconsistency with them has gone on to form a very solid partnership with Kompany in Kolo Toure's absence), Barry, De Jong and Tevez. Of that group of players, none would have been unequivocally out of Villa's reach at the time that they moved - other than Tevez - if not for the game-changing amount of money the Abu Dhabi consortium were prepared to throw at the selling clubs in question. As I've said before, I think Hughes would be perfectly fine and represents a sensible option. What people are hoping for when they decry such suggestions (along with Moyes) is simply unrealistic. The kind of appointment you're alluding to - the kind that can essentially build a dynasty that can take us beyond fifth or sixth place to the Champions League - is one that I don't believe is remotely feasible at present. We have slipped from the level that we as supporters like to think should be seen as the bare minimum of achievements (top six) and until we get back there we are not going to look like a club that can fulfil the ambitions of a manager seeking a job that will put him on the biggest stage. There is nothing in the board's statements or actions - recently or otherwise - that would indicate that playing at that level is even in their thinking at the moment. Even if the likes of Rijkaard or Deschamps were potential candidates, I also don't see how they could possibly offer any kind of confidence that they would be committed to the long-haul, much less an understanding of the club they will be charge of any better than Houllier, or would even get to immediate grips with the rigours of a league that we cannot afford to lose any more ground in. A practical, if more modest, appointment will not be a sign of anybody throwing the towel in but rather recognition that stability is required - the kind of stability that comes with hiring the sort of manager who not only understands the club but appreciates the value and overall potential of the role, that understands that to get anywhere near to being in a position to genuinely challenge the top four again we must first re-establish ourselves among the chasing pack. The likes of Mark Hughes or David Moyes would be more than capable of doing this and that's why I think either would be suitable. I'm sure Benitez could too but the divisive nature of his personality marks him out as more of a risk. Whether any of them could take the club further I really couldn't say, but I know that those that are proven at that level won't be looking in our direction until we have at least put ourselves back on the immediate periphery - and it's going to take a lot of work to do that first. The sooner people take full measure of our current position and the way the club is currently perceived outside of our own hopes and expectations, the better prepared you will be to evaluate whatever appointment is ultimately made and appropriately temper what you think the short- and long-term goals should be for any new manager. The fact is that anyone who comes in who delivers a half-reasonable mid-table finish and any domestic trophy will automatically become our most successful manager for over fifteen years - which is a sobering thought. I'm not being dismissive of our history, stature or fanbase - we still have much to offer - but we are currently no more than perhaps the seventh most attractive club in the league for new managers or players to consider. The relative success of Martin O'Neill's tenure amply demonstrated how difficult it is to move beyond that so the prospect of Champions League glory shouldn't even figure in anyone's reckoning right now. Add to that the stark realisation of the past year at how quickly any progress made can quickly evaporate with the wrong appointment and I think it's obvious that now is a time for a little conservatism in our key choices. That may not generate a great deal of excitement - and certainly not the hysteria that greeted O'Neill's arrival - but it may just provide the kind of foundation from which we can compete in a sustained fashion and maybe even go further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond_Joe_Quimby Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Everton's League positions under Moyes: 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th. That is with a a lack of funds. 6 out of 8 seasons under Moyes, Everton have finished above us. Imagine wat he could do with a reasonable funding levelHe has a reasonable level of funding. Just because it hasn't been on Citeh proportions doesn't mean he hasn't had any at all. But its not on a par with what we could offer him.......hes not in a position where he could offer 18million for a Darren Bent and is stuck with 3m for Jermaine Beckford situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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