Voinjama Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Guivarc'h Kleberson Roque Junior Bernade Diomede Just a few examples of crap players who have won the World Cup. In a team sport I think it is daft to judge the ability of an individual by a trophy they have or haven't won. Rai also, he was worse then all of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Guivarc'h Kleberson Roque Junior Bernade Diomede Just a few examples of crap players who have won the World Cup. In a team sport I think it is daft to judge the ability of an individual by a trophy they have or haven't won. Rai also, he was worse then all of those. What? Rai was no Ronaldinho but he's not in the same league of crappyness as those mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Rai from USA 94. He was poor. He got dropped from the brazil team after game 2 and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Rai from USA 94. He was poor. He got dropped from the brazil team after game 2 and rightly so. Ah, so you're talking about players who had poor tournaments but still ended up on the winning side rather than just poor players in general? I'm just splitting hair because Rai is one of my early non-villa hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 For those who say he needs to win world cup, can people please answer I posed a few pages back. Also 'until he performs on the international stage' ...I am not just saying it but he is their best player pretty much every game. Because of the strikers available to Argentina, he doesn't score as many because others play further forward than him, he has something like 10 assists and 7 goals in last 14 internationals. I'd call that pretty decent. It's not at ridicolous levels but that is naturally to be expected, just like players such as C. Ronaldo have lesser goal rates. Playing in a weaker team with players you don't play with every week, different way of playing etc.. Why is it that others not pulling their weight counts as 'Messi not performing' ... Is it because you just stumble upon Argentina's result in the week and the fact he isn't as prolific in internationals and that means he doesn't perform? I guess you could say I'm biased towards a single player and to be pissy about it, I do watch the Argentina games through the early hours and Messi rarely ever let's his country down. As for 'have to win the world cup' again as said If Messi has an average world cup personally but Argentina won it because Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria etc have a brilliant tournament, he is best in world. If Messi has a brilliant world cup but Argentina go out in semi's on say penalties then he can't be considered the best cause let's say mascherano missed a penalty with chance to put Argentina through to final etc...? This logic makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Guivarc'h Kleberson Roque Junior Bernade Diomede Just a few examples of crap players who have won the World Cup. In a team sport I think it is daft to judge the ability of an individual by a trophy they have or haven't won counter argument is that crap players have won Champions League as well like Traore, Biscan,Greening and Roque Junior side note Kleberson is actually a good player who had injuries in ENgland, even went to last World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Rai from USA 94. He was poor. He got dropped from the brazil team after game 2 and rightly so. wasnt he injured in USA 94 and then couldnt get back in the team, was also the captain If Messi has an average world cup personally but Argentina won it because Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria etc have a brilliant tournament, he is best in world. worked for Zidane in 98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I will not feed you troll. Begone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I will not feed you troll. Begone. ? so Zidane was amazing in 1998? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Stop sniffing troll, there is no food here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted March 11, 2012 Visiting Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2012 The world cup is too random to judge Messi on IMO. Players are lucky if they get 3 attempts at it, Messi will be the same (discounting 06, he didn't play much) Ronaldo never won a CL, yet people still go and call him the greatest striker of this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I will not feed you troll. Begone. ? so Zidane was amazing in 1998? There's a bit of a difference between having an average World Cup and being amazing. To say that Zidane had an average World Cup in '98 is quite frankly ridiculous. Was he also average at Euro 2000? Personally I'd kill for "average" performances like that at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 11, 2012 Guivarc'h Kleberson Roque Junior Bernade Diomede Just a few examples of crap players who have won the World Cup. In a team sport I think it is daft to judge the ability of an individual by a trophy they have or haven't won counter argument is that crap players have won Champions League as well like Traore, Biscan,Greening and Roque Junior side note Kleberson is actually a good player who had injuries in ENgland, even went to last World Cup If you think that is a counter argument you are very very wrong. Read what I posted, all you are doing is further supporting my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 To say that Zidane had an average World Cup in '98 is quite frankly ridiculous. Was he also average at Euro 2000? 2000 was his tournament, in France 98 he was pretty average until the final and them 2 goals have blinkered people on the tournament. Best player was the back 4 who only conceded 1 goal in knockout round. Zidane got a red card in the tournament and missed 2 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Oh no, you did it now.... Think about what you're saying. TWO GOALS IN THE WORLD CUP FINAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Oh no, you did it now.... Think about what you're saying. TWO GOALS IN THE WORLD CUP FINAL. so because he got 2 goals in World Cup Final he was best player in the world? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Oh no, you did it now.... Think about what you're saying. TWO GOALS IN THE WORLD CUP FINAL. so because he got 2 goals in World Cup Final he was best player in the world? Interesting. What? No. I never said.... ....forget I said anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 If you have to win a WC to be the best ever then look no further then Xavi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 2 more today 7 in 2 games 10 in his last 3 11 in his last 4 15 in his last 5 16 in his last 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 50 in his last 43! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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