MrWashyWashy Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I have to say I was a big Clark fan for the past few seasons but he is making too many mistakes at crucial times in crucial games and I think it is down to the lack of experience in the back four and I blame whoever is meant to be teaching as the defencive coach, we need Martin Laursen to help teach our defence in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted March 6, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) I just don't know why he didn't push the ball away with his arm or grab it when he slipped. The ref was close to giving a free kick anyway that he probably would have done if Clark had stopped play (I know it wasn't a foul by the way, but it could have easily been made to look that way). At worst he would have got a yellow for the handball. Edited March 6, 2013 by fightoffyour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 FFS.the time was at 44 minutes,there was 1 minute to go to half time and the score was 0-0.It is not the time to **** about, especially with Dzeko lurking nearby.You hoof the ball upfield and go in at half time at 0-0. At what point in the game do you think that we should start hoofing it and stop playing our normal game? 44 minutes? 40 minutes? How about 35 minutes just so we're safe for a good 10 minutes of the first half? Clark, Vlaar and Baker have all used their skill on the ball this season, and have taken the ball around an opposition player, but no-one said anything because they didn't slip over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I think that rhetorical question has a concise answer. With five minutes left in the half, at 0-0, against the champions I think our players should be looking to just get to HT. That means being more cautious in defence and better with possession. Clark was neither cautious in defence and lost possession. But lets be honest here, it was a crazy thing to do as a CB at any point in a game against any opposition, it was a terrible decision and he got caught out, and MC punished it, as the best players will do, with a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 It's not a crazy thing to do if our defenders have been doing it all season and getting away with it. It shows confidence and skill on the ball. If it wasn't for the slip then it wouldn't have been a problem. You say that we should have started being cautious around the 40th minute, but we were still attacking and creating the occasional chance. If I was Lambert, I wouldn't ask the team to take the foot off the pedal "just incase somebody slips on the ball"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 No way in a million years do I want to see Villa CB's doing that, it's bad practice, and it was a perfect example as to why it is. We haven't been doing it all season, I've seen Clark do it when we've had three at the back, Vlaar do it when he's had to, it's never ideal and to do it unforced, in that position, no way, there were two better options, a hoof or a pass to Delph. He didn't slip, Dzeko was on him faster than he expected, it was the kind of misjudgement Clark makes too often and it is literally costing us points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarjei Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) I saw Rio Ferdinand do the exact same thing in the same position against Real Madrid yesterday, when it was 0-0. That doesn't justify it though. You should never dribble as the last defender. Might have been a free kick as Dzeko took his feet away which stopped him from getting back up, but still shouldn't be in that position to start with. That said I thought Clark, aside from this, was good in defense all game. Edited March 6, 2013 by tarjei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Kingfisher, maybe we've been seeing different things because I have definately seen our CBs do it all season. I'm not saying they've done it every time the ball has come back to them and a player has been by them, but they've done it a LOT. Infact, you've even said that Clark and Vlaar have done it. Like I said, not every time they've received the ball, but they've been doing it all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I can't believe you think it's fine to try to do a Cruyff in that position when there is a bread and butter pass on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Bottom line is i don't think you'll see Clark doing that again which will benefit both the player and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Modern forwards chase and harry CBs, hard... that is why the the top sides all have CBs with ball skills. Sometimes CBs have to dribble a bit. It's not get it and hoof it. I don't think Clark did the wrong thing, he just didn't do it well enough, and got punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 He's done it many times before and been caught many times before, this is the first time they've scored direct from it. Hopefully he'll learn this time instead of doing it again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Dunne did it in a cup final against Man U that resulted in a goal. Can't remember " God " doing it, its all about quality and we are lacking it. Its a bit hard on the lad as he ain't the only one that is not exactly comfortable on the ball. Its been an AV trait for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1Avfc Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Baker>Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 He lost us the game, it's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanvilla_1994 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Its not the first time he's cost us goals this season either. Average at best I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMushroom Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) He lost us the game, it's as simple as that. What a load of bollox. If you actually believe that, then start following Golf or some other non team sport, cos you obviously know little about football. Honestly mate, sit back, and think about it Edited March 7, 2013 by MagicMushroom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMushroom Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Its not the first time he's cost us goals this season either. Average at best I'm afraid. How many has Vlaar made? Oh, he cost money, is a Dutch international, so lets pick on our home grown instead? Lambert sees Clark in midfied, but can you honestly not see the reason why we are having to keep playing him in defence? He could say **** it, people like Ryan are breaking my balls over every mistake i make. I no longer feel confident in my ability and hate the abuse. But no, he goes out there for the team, because he knows there is no one else but him. Tell you what, that takes bottle, and i know what you and others are going to throw back, but really? Does he deserve the abuse? Im old, different era, and you guys see things differently. But support means just that, and.Its that support that either makes or breaks players. Surely, we all see that? Edited March 7, 2013 by MagicMushroom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 He lost us the game, it's as simple as that. He cost us the goal, it's as simple as that. The team had another 45 minutes to get back in the game. The team didn't. The team lost the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 He cost us the goal that cost us the game, so what's the difference? The team was playing at its absolute maximum, no way were we going to score against them, the best we could do was hold out for a draw and we quite possibly would have done that without Clark's error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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