Brumstopdogs Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 He's not premier league standard i'm afraid, both him and Holman were poor today. Agreed, Bannan couldn't even give us a performance in a derby game. Time to ship him out and get someone who can offer more than this dire player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 So if Clark had gone to DM who would you have had at centre half? Lowton has played CB for us before. He could play with Vlaar. I might also have put Lowton at DM and kept Clark at CB. The first goal we conceded was conceded from the edge of the penalty area, where a superb defensive mid would have blocked the Brunt shot. Replacing a capable but non-specialist defensive midfielder (Delph is two-way midfielder IMO) with a midfielder who is pretty much not at all defensive is tactical naivety. To compound our naive squad we have a naive manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2013 Lowton has played CB for us before. He could play with Vlaar. I might also have put Lowton at DM and kept Clark at CB. The first goal we conceded was conceded from the edge of the penalty area, where a superb defensive mid would have blocked the Brunt shot. Replacing a capable but non-specialist defensive midfielder (Delph is two-way midfielder IMO) with a midfielder who is pretty much not at all defensive is tactical naivety. To compound our naive squad we have a naive manager. I tell you what is naive, thinking Bannan is world class and that he is the best crosser of the ball in the league. So... rather than Bannan on for Delph you would have moved Clark from defence, Lowton from RB to CB so who would you have moved to RB? If he had done all this you no doubt would have been banging on about how he should have brought Bannan on because according to you he won the game for us the other day when he came on. You keep saying Bannan was brought on to do a defensive midfield job, but this is just your assumption you don't know that is the job he was asked to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Click the link in my sig to visit the article. It is a statistical fact for the games of the PL season up until this point. Now, I agree statistical facts aren't always all they're cracked up to be... human interpretation is also required when evaluating a player... but it is a statistical fact. What about today when he came on suddenly Baggies were at 76% possession and we had 24% the action zones had them at about 60% in the middle of the pitch Statistics Statistics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) I tell you what is naive, thinking Bannan is world class and that he is the best crosser of the ball in the league. I've not called him world class. If you read back you will find that is not what I said at all. I have used the term "world class" . I would say if he ends the season as consistently as he has begun it (in terms of crossing) I'd probably say he has world class crossing ability. The season is not over, so right now he is just a c12k a week cheap as chips ex-academy player. So... rather than Bannan on for Delph you would have moved Clark from defence, Lowton from RB to CB so who would you have moved to RB? Lichaj was RB. He would have stayed there. When Baker got injured we had 3 CBs - Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, and 2 WB, Lichaj (RWB) and Bennett (LWB) If he had done all this you no doubt would have been banging on about how he should have brought Bannan on because according to you he won the game for us the other day when he came on. Once we were 0 - 2 up I didn't want any substitutions. You keep saying Bannan was brought on to do a defensive midfield job, but this is just your assumption you don't know that is the job he was asked to do. Right, it doesn't make sense Bannan would be brought on to do a defensive role, does it? I accept that. I don't know how could we could expect to control possession of the ball though without a ball-winner in midfield to give us possession of the ball. When Delph went off we didn't have even a half-approximation of a ball-winner in midfield. And Lambert expected us to control possession? Bad management. Edited January 19, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Lowton has played CB for us before. He could play with Vlaar. I might also have put Lowton at DM and kept Clark at CB. The first goal we conceded was conceded from the edge of the penalty area, where a superb defensive mid would have blocked the Brunt shot. Replacing a capable but non-specialist defensive midfielder (Delph is two-way midfielder IMO) with a midfielder who is pretty much not at all defensive is tactical naivety. To compound our naive squad we have a naive manager. So you'd move two of the defence just to accommodate Bannan? Don't get me wrong i'd like him to succeed with us but sometimes you have to accept a player isn't good enough. It's time to accept Bannan isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2013 I've not called him world class. If you read back you will find that is not what I said at all. I have used the term "world class" . I would say if he ends the season as consistently as he has begun it (in terms of crossing) I'd probably say he has world class crossing ability. You said he and Gardner were potentially world class. You said that if he maintains his set piece delivery it is a world class weapon. Both are just daft statements. Right, it doesn't make sense Bannan would be brought on to do a defensive role, does it? I accept that. I don't know how could we could expect to control possession of the ball though without a ball-winner in midfield to give us possession of the ball. Only we don't have one. You seemed to think Bannan coming on was a great thing in the Ipswich game, yet in this one it didn't work so it was a bad idea. You change direction with the wind. When Delph went off we didn't have even a half-approximation of a ball-winner in midfield. And Lambert expected us to control possession? Bad management. But Bannan is a potentially world class midfielder with stats coming out his corn hole to prove it. Isn't he? So if he is so great surely he doesn't need a defensive player in the team to retain possession because he has Bannan. You contradict yourself so much it is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm a fan of Bannan and think he could do well in the right system but 'best crosser in the league' and 'world class weapon' is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Bannan is clearly not good enough. He has been quality in the past, where this has gone I don't know. Warnock is better and we don't even play him maybe due to attitude who knows. Either loan Bannan out or sell him on. Corners, ohh my goodness, seriously I think in my day I could take a Better corner with pace!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switters Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 What about today when he came on suddenly Baggies were at 76% possession and we had 24% the action zones had them at about 60% in the middle of the pitch Statistics Statistics One player cannot affect the possession stats that much. Bannan also came on 3 mins after WBA had scored. It's not uncommon for a home team which has gone from 0-2 to 1-2 to suddenly have a lot more belief and dominate the game, push for an equaliser with crowd behind them. Bannan certainly didn't have a good game, but to seek to blame him entirely for us being dominated right after they'd scored is pretty harsh. If he wasn't in Africa, I'm sure El Ahmadi would've been preferred sub for Delph at that point in the match, but Lambert didn't have a lot of choice (assuming Delph was injured). Can't see Ireland having done much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) That's why we had to move Lowton or Clark into DM, I wouldn't necessarily have even brought Bannan on at all, the score as it was. If I had to do so, would have put him on the wing. Don't over-exaggerate my position. Reading back over my previous statements I have not said Bannan is a world class player. I would love to use the words "potentially world class" to describe Villa players other than Gardner and Bannan... but I tell you what, I won't say a word. Edited January 20, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 20, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 20, 2013 I would love to use the words "potentially world class" to describe Villa players other than Gardner and Bannan... but I tell you what, I won't say a word. Yes, sadly he might be, for next to nothing compared to his true value. I'd expect Wigan, Swansea, Arsenal or Man Utd to be interested, but he'd probably only leave us for Arsenal or Man Utd. We'd still have Gary Gardner, if he can regain his form after injury, but if we could keep both Gardner and Bannan I believe we would have two world class players in our team. Under present ownership we can't afford to buy two world class midfielders, so Bannan and Gardner, as potential world class players, are IMO the Villa future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Worst corner taker I've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Bannan and world class in the same sentence. Only on Villa Talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Really should not have been brought on while we were trying to defend a lead. I don't know what Lambert expected to happen when he brought on an attacking midfielder when the opposition was frantically attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He can't even break into the worst Scottish team in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutherland Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He can't even break into the worst Scottish team in 30 years. Says it all really!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He can't even break into the worst Scottish team in 30 years. that will probably be because there is no one good enough in that team to be able to benefit from his game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I'm sick of Bannans floaty corners. Why do we persist ? Also I notice last night, every time he got the ball in the middle first thing he did was look backwards and then pass to a defender putting them under pressure to hoof He's not good enough and needs to be shipped out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Bannan's trademark floating corner Easy as anything for defenders to defend against Unlike Westwood's which are drilled and look a million times more dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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