Stevo985 Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, avfc1982am said: When could he have gone then???? Our owners blocked the spuds move and no bid came in from Utd last summer. The first opportunity he had to go was this summer. Stop with the bs that he could gone before. You don't know what you are talking about. Yeah but if he'd really wanted to leave he could have dragged his feet and forced a move. Much like Harry Kane tried to do this summer. Clubs aren't stupid, they don't just bid out of the blue. If grealish had made it clear he wanted to leave last summer, or any summer previous to that, he could have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Do you think it's a coincidence that they bid exactly the release fee, and were in a rush to do so before the apparent expiry date? The whole deal stinks of tapping up, and as Grealish said, they'd had this in motion for months. The details of the clause had clearly been shared with City. Between the Grealish and Kane sagas this summer, it's clear how City do business. I don't think it's unique to city. Clubs talk to agents etc. There's no way City didn't know the release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: How could he have walked if he was still under contract and no way does a kid run his deal contract down? He went to meet Poch at Spurs and wanted to go until the owners came in and pulled the plug on the deal. He then signed a new deal because our owners rightly were not going to let him leave for a pittance and he would lose on wages over the following 12 months. if he didn't sign a new deal he'd also look a clearing in the woods. Your making out it was all JG's decision when the reality was it wasn't his choice. And signing new contracts doesn't always mean a player is committed to the club only that the club is committed to the player. Take Delph as a case in point. He’s always going to be under some kind of contract. If he wants to leave then he tells the club he won’t be signing a new deal, and they either keep him until he’s a free agent, or sell him. Jack has consistently signed new deals which suggests he was not in any hurry to get away. It’s the opposite of your theory he wanted out at the earliest opportunity. When Spurs came in for him in 2018 he had 2 years left on his deal. He could have refused a new contract and worst case left of a free in 2020. Instead he extended his contract in 2018, 2019 and 2020. Players have the control, the clubs may want to keep them but they can’t force them to commit against their will. Edited September 2, 2021 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, Stevo985 said: I don't think it's unique to city. Clubs talk to agents etc. There's no way City didn't know the release clause. It certainly isn't unique to city, they may as well just scrap any rules about tapping up, because it is almost never enforced even when it's clear as day, and the vast majority of transfers at the top level have an element of it these days. No club wants to waste time only to get knocked back by the player once a bid is accepted. It feels particularly egregious when it involves relaying contractual information, but perhaps that's the norm as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Do you think it's a coincidence that they bid exactly the release fee, and were in a rush to do so before the apparent expiry date? The whole deal stinks of tapping up, and as Grealish said, they'd had this in motion for months. The details of the clause had clearly been shared with City. Between the Grealish and Kane sagas this summer, it's clear how City do business. Dean Smith said the club rejected several lower than the clause bids for Jack. It’s not clear if these were City or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah but if he'd really wanted to leave he could have dragged his feet and forced a move. Much like Harry Kane tried to do this summer. Clubs aren't stupid, they don't just bid out of the blue. If grealish had made it clear he wanted to leave last summer, or any summer previous to that, he could have gone. Really?? I don't think so. The only way he was leaving last summer was if the clubs valuation was met. It wasn't and wasn't going to be hence he signed the new deal. JG last year was in a similar situation to Kane this year, until he signed the new deal and had the clause inserted. Yeah he could've dragged his feet previously but he wouldn't have done that to alienate himself when he wouldn't necessarily be able to get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Dean Smith said the club rejected several lower than the clause bids for Jack. It’s not clear if these were City or someone else. Maybe that's why it took so long "Ok, we bid £85,000,000. No? £85,000,001...." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, Davkaus said: Maybe that's why it took so long "Ok, we bid £85,000,000. No? £85,000,001...." Reminds me of Arsenal trying to sign Suarez for £40,000,001 when they learned he had a £40m release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I don't think it's unique to city. Clubs talk to agents etc. There's no way City didn't know the release clause. Begs the question as to who in the Grealish camp leaked it to City, as Purslow suggested the clause was confidential or something to that degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genie said: He’s always going to be under some kind of contract. If he wants to leave then he tells the club he won’t be signing a new deal, and they either keep him until he’s a free agent, or sell him. Jack has consistently signed new deals which suggests he was not in any hurry to get away. It’s the opposite of your theory he wanted out at the earliest opportunity. Players have the control, the clubs may want to keep them but they can’t force them to commit against their will. Lol....He'd have gone to Spurs had we let him. He even said he was gutted at the time. Why do you need to continually sign 5 year deals or extensions every year if you are so committed. Why not just sign a new deal at the end of the old one? Why....because you want more money or greater control and commitment has nothing to do with it. That's it. Ask Harry Kane if he's in control or Daniel Levy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Who would be privy to the details of a player's contract, beyond the player themselves, the CEO, the agents and lawyers, and perhaps the owners? Would the manager or any of the coaching staff even know? Edited September 2, 2021 by His Name Is Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Lol....He'd have gone to Spurs had we let him. He even said he was gutted at the time. Why do you need to continually sign 5 year deals or extensions every year if you are so committed. Why not just sign a new deal at the end of the old one? Why....because you want more money or greater control and commitment has nothing to do with it. That's it. Ask Harry Kane if he's in control or Daniel Levy. its almost like jack grealish is the same as every other professional footballer... maybe those most bothered by this are those that most adamantly believed that he was different because of being a fan he's not different 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Begs the question as to who in the Grealish camp leaked it to City, as Purslow suggested the clause was confidential or something to that degree. Obviously his agent, I doubt Grealish told Sterling who told Pep who called the Sheikh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Spot on. Every word a footballer says about their relationship with the club should be viewed through the perspective of how they benefit from appearing to be particularly attached to the club. I particularly enjoyed Ronaldo's PR briefing about his never ending love for Man United and how it's a dream come true to return. A day after comms were leaked showing him saying he was definitely leaving, but he couldn't say where yet because City and United were fighting over him Edited September 2, 2021 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Really?? I don't think so. The only way he was leaving last summer was if the clubs valuation was met. It wasn't and wasn't going to be hence he signed the new deal. JG last year was in a similar situation to Kane this year, until he signed the new deal and had the clause inserted. Yeah he could've dragged his feet previously but he wouldn't have done that to alienate himself when he wouldn't necessarily be able to get out. That's a lot of assumptions. We've seen it for decades. If a player really wants to go, they'll make it happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, Genie said: Reminds me of Arsenal trying to sign Suarez for £40,000,001 when they learned he had a £40m release clause. I think it was offers in excess of £40,000,000, hence the £1 on top 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Lol....He'd have gone to Spurs had we let him. He even said he was gutted at the time. Why do you need to continually sign 5 year deals or extensions every year if you are so committed. Why not just sign a new deal at the end of the old one? Why....because you want more money or greater control and commitment has nothing to do with it. That's it. Ask Harry Kane if he's in control or Daniel Levy. If you are desperate to leave you don’t sign a deal to extend your stay. By signing a deal you’re giving up control over moving in return for more money, again, not something you do if you really want out. Kane took the money over control of his destiny, suggests he was quite happy at Spurs. It was a 6 year deal too. He’s an idiot for signing it if he wanted to leave. He thought he had a gentleman’s agreement which is worth the paper it’s written on. That’s because he has a shit agent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 14 hours ago, avfc1982am said: He hadn't turned down anybody. The owners pulled the plug on the Spurs deal and no deal was forth coming last summer. He was also sitting on 3 years of a contract with no release clause. Therefore it was always in his interest to sign a new deal with a clause inserted. Our mistake was believing he signed the deal to see out the project. Let's not make out he stayed out the goodness of his heart ffs. He'd have been gone in a flash had we let Spurs take him initially. Yeah this. He never once came out to stop any speculation, and that's because he'd have been off in a flash like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: That's a lot of assumptions. We've seen it for decades. If a player really wants to go, they'll make it happen. So your also assuming?? Ask Harry Kane how the move he wanted is going to happen. I'm not saying players can't make moves happen. Just not always when they want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: So your also assuming?? Ask Harry Kane how the move he wanted is going to happen. I'm not saying players can't make moves happen. Just not always when they want it to. I'm assuming that one of the most exciting and sought after English players of his generation could have forced a move away from a lower half premier league club if he'd wanted to, yes. If you really think this is the first chance he's had of leaving then sorry but you're deluded Edited September 2, 2021 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts