PB Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Interestingly, religion may have been what pushed us forward, but now it is what is holding us back. Is that an indictment of religion, or those that control it? In the past we've proven that we're not scared to drop religions when they cease to be relevant, there's many that have died out, yet today we seem tied to the current ones, with little chance of progress from them? people will always strive to find an explanation for that 'something', that feeling within, that sense of awe, of calm, of wonder at the world, that sense of you like, of 'spirituality' that transcends normal existence, that cannot be explained by any rational argument or observable facts if people choose to externalise that, and most people do seem to feel that need, then there will always be religion. i think thats their loss. I'm sure they would counter that by saying that my lack of faith is my loss As long as we can live together without ripping each other's heads off then its all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Intelligence the result of creation? Where did you get that from? You when you said: No. The evidence of God existing is still here to be seen. Its everything around me. Its objects, feelings, intelligence. The evidence of things being created, is right there infront of my eyes. I don't think I needed to be there, when this computer was built, or designed, to know that it was built and designed. Understand me at all? If you're pointing out intelligence as a reason for God existing it must be because God is the only way to explain intelligence. Especially when you go on about things being build or designed. If intelligence didn't NEED to be created or designed, it's not evidence of a God, neither is any other mental attribute, feelings, emotions, everything, if intelligence didn't need to be created, neither did any of those. Therefore, elaborating on your own stance, if intelligence is a sign of the existence of God, it's also evidence that either a: God is stupid, or b: cannot possibly exist. There is no c where God exists and is intelligent. Now, the fact that the only "acts of God" we experience are the mass murders of thousands of people, and I can't remember the last time people miraculously survived anything, then I'm more than a little tempted to align myself with option a. Bear in mind here I'm not trying to disprove the existance of God (I can't do that, no matter how much I wish I could) I'm merely highlighting the MASSIVE holes in your "evidence" of his existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heystally! Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 As long as we can live together without ripping each other's heads off then its all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Now for the big one, intelligence CANNOT have been created, and I have 100% bona fide proof of that. Your "creator" must have had it. If intelligence is the result of creation, then the thing that created intelligence was, wait for it, UNINTELLIGENT. Now, as intelligence is simply "the ability to comprehend", and to make something you have to comprehend what you are doing, you have to understand the process you're carrying out, a creator, by definition HAS TO have intelligence. So, unless you believe intelligence can have occurred by chance, in which case you cannot rule out everything else occurring by chance, your God was either a big dummy or doesn't exist. Didn't God supposedly create man in his own image? So if man was created as an intelligent being, then it was because God was intelligent? Signed: D. Advocat. Yeah but he created animals too, so he is a piglet? Funneh, except teh Bible does not say that he created them in his own image. it also bases the creation of everything around earth. Funny how we base the existence of god around the planet we conveniently live on. our solar system is NOT the centre of the universe and the centre of all that exists. But a lot of religious texts base the origins of god around our earth. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 As long as we can live together without ripping each other's heads off then its all good. unfortunately our belief in Gods and differing opinions on how we got to exist can NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (repeat to end) happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heystally! Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Now for the big one, intelligence CANNOT have been created, and I have 100% bona fide proof of that. Your "creator" must have had it. If intelligence is the result of creation, then the thing that created intelligence was, wait for it, UNINTELLIGENT. Now, as intelligence is simply "the ability to comprehend", and to make something you have to comprehend what you are doing, you have to understand the process you're carrying out, a creator, by definition HAS TO have intelligence. So, unless you believe intelligence can have occurred by chance, in which case you cannot rule out everything else occurring by chance, your God was either a big dummy or doesn't exist. Didn't God supposedly create man in his own image? So if man was created as an intelligent being, then it was because God was intelligent? Signed: D. Advocat. Yeah but he created animals too, so he is a piglet? Funneh, except teh Bible does not say that he created them in his own image. it also bases the creation of everything around earth. Funny how we base the existence of god around the planet we conveniently live on. our solar system is NOT the centre of the universe and the centre of all that exists. But a lot of religious texts base the origins of god around our earth. Why is that? because when it was written we didn't know the Universe existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heystally! Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kidlewis are you just debating with yourself now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kidlewis are you just debating with yourself now? no I couldn't be bothered to edit so just hit quote. Plus I want to add another post to my ever growing 1000+ posts watch out Ian I am coming for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have done over 100 posts today....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I just thought of a massive point. Many musicians believe stongly in God. They thank God for helping them gain success. If he is the creator of all that is, and ever will be. Do they have to pay him royalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Depends if you consider giving charity as paying royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have done over 100 posts today....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. All of them nonsense! Oj oj... Anyway... we could go on all night I'm sure. I have faith. You don't lets just end it there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heystally! Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I just thought of a massive point. Many musicians believe stongly in God. They thank God for helping them gain success. If he is the creator of all that is, and ever will be. Do they have to pay him royalties? If I went down to Ladbrokes tomorrow, and asked for their odds on an organised religion one day creating a system which would see a percentage of the money religiously-influenced artists go to the church, would I be a mental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I just thought of a massive point. Many musicians believe stongly in God. They thank God for helping them gain success. If he is the creator of all that is, and ever will be. Do they have to pay him royalties? You're right that is massive. Quick, copyright it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heystally! Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have done over 100 posts today....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. All of them nonsense! Oj oj... Anyway... we could go on all night I'm sure. I have faith. You don't lets just end it there? Ah the easy way out He's rattled boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I just thought of a massive point. Many musicians believe stongly in God. They thank God for helping them gain success. If he is the creator of all that is, and ever will be. Do they have to pay him royalties? If I went down to Ladbrokes tomorrow, and asked for their odds on an organised religion one day creating a system which would see a percentage of the money religiously-influenced artists go to the church, would I be a mental? no, but they would look at you as though you were one. would be interesting to ask someone in the bookies who was wearing a cross or other religious symbol. Would put them in a pretty awkward situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 To be frank, I'm more worried about the ones who "Dont give a shit" than the ones who said No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kidlewis are you just debating with yourself now? that will teach him not to switch his web cam off ..oh my bad i misread what you wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Funny how we base the existence of god around the planet we conveniently live on. our solar system is NOT the centre of the universe and the centre of all that exists. Considering, we are an insignificant dot on the edge of an insignificant galaxy under the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt we are important to any omnipotent being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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