ender4 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) It’s the big PL meeting today which has a lot of contentious issues being discussed and hopefully agreed on. It’s going on right now in London at the Churchill Hyatt Regency Hotel. On the agenda: - Loans between related clubs - TV money distribution for 2025 onwards - Big 6 want it to move from 1-1.6 to 1-1.8, favouring the tops teams. - Punishments - Everton, Man City, Chelsea, etc. - Possible tweaks to FFP rules. - EFL £130m package and who pays for it. Edited November 21, 2023 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I see the loaning between clubs with the same owners hasn’t been blocked. Will we be told how each club voted? 13 clubs voted to block it but they needed 14 for it to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Herman22 said: I see the loaning between clubs with the same owners hasn’t been blocked. Will we be told how each club voted? 13 clubs voted to block it but they needed 14 for it to pass. Generally no we aren’t told. But it does sometimes leak out a few days later in contentious issues. There are around 5 clubs which have related clubs so I guess those 5 voted against. And maybe 2 abstained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, Herman22 said: I see the loaning between clubs with the same owners hasn’t been blocked. Will we be told how each club voted? 13 clubs voted to block it but they needed 14 for it to pass. I'd be interested to see which 7 clubs voted against the motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, Made In Aston said: I'd be interested to see which 7 clubs voted against the motion. Top of my head guess... Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Brighton, Nottingham Forest, Bournemouth, and... Aston Villa. Those are the clubs I can think of with third party club interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Pathetic if we voted against it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: I'd be interested to see which 7 clubs voted against the motion. These 7 have multiple sister clubs: Newcastle - Saudi clubs Man City - 11 other clubs Bournemouth - Lorient & Auckland, stated he wants more clubs. Chelsea - Boehly has said he wants a multi-club model like Man City. Already has Strasbourg. Arsenal - Kronke owns Colorado Rapids (MLS) Nottingham Forest - a Greek club Brighton - a Belgian club Plus obviously Villa. Edited November 21, 2023 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Turkey's voting for Xmas. The premier league should just set the rules.dont like it f off and join the football league 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Pathetic if we voted against it You're always enthusiastic in the other thread. What did you think they were working towards? They've not spent years building up a football empire () to vote against using it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Newcastle, City, Chelsea, Brentford, Bournemouth, Forest. Plus Villa or Brighton I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: Turkey's voting for Xmas. The premier league should just set the rules.dont like it f off and join the football league The premier league are the clubs. It’s a cartel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Davkaus said: You're always enthusiastic in the other thread. What did you think they were working towards? They've not spent years building up a football empire () to vote against using it. Can you show me any players we have obtained from any of these clubs that have gone into our first team? Can you also show me any players we have sold to any of these clubs like newcastle have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Pathetic if we voted against it I can’t see our owners setting up “V Sports”, creating a multi-club model… …then voting in favour of something that hinders their approach. Obviously I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, Demitri_C said: Can you show me any players we have obtained from any of these clubs that have gone into our first team? Can you also show me any players we have sold to any of these clubs like newcastle have? As far as I’m aware, both Villa and Newcastle have done one player transaction with linked clubs (they sold one, we bought one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, Demitri_C said: Can you show me any players we have obtained from any of these clubs that have gone into our first team? Give it time. If you don't think that's the goal, what do you think our motivation is, sharing the love and giving some clubs a leg up through the goodness of our hearts? We're not as bad as Man City and Newcastle, but we're a lot closer to them than we are some benign club interested in the good of the game. Maybe we did vote against it and I'll look like a complete idiot, but I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, bobzy said: As far as I’m aware, both Villa and Newcastle have done one player transaction with linked clubs (they sold one, we bought one). Who did we buy? Only one i can think of was a younger from zed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Give it time. If you don't think that's the goal, what do you think our motivation is, sharing the love and giving some clubs a leg up through the goodness of our hearts? We're not as bad as Man City and Newcastle, but we're a lot closer to them than we are some benign club interested in the good of the game. Maybe we did vote against it and I'll look like a complete idiot, but I doubt it I dont know what motivation is but if i was guessing man loaning players out, helping get work permits in ans looking at talent from the clubs. If we wanted to sell players to vitoria for example to help with FFP we would have by now. Edited November 21, 2023 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Who did we buy? Only one i can think of was a younger from zed Exactly. Who did Newcastle buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Can you show me any players we have obtained from any of these clubs that have gone into our first team? Can you also show me any players we have sold to any of these clubs like newcastle have? The problem with the proposal is that it's unfair, and that's not me talking with a Villa hat on. It is genuinely unfair. It's clearly been raised to have a specific purpose, which is to stop Newcastle getting a particular player from another Saudi club and gaining an advantage by gaming the system, right? But the flip side is that any other Prem club can/could loan that same player, but Newcastle wouldn't be allowed to - so we could loan him, or Chelsea could or whoever. Surely the thing to put in place is a "market value" thing, like with transfers - a loan fee would have to match "market value", then anyone could sign any player from anywhere on loan, but not be gaming the system. If you put a Villa hat on, for example, there could be a kid at our sister club, we want to loan him to give him some experience of training with the first team squad, or play in the odd cup game - but we're not allowed to, but Newcastle could loan him, then later decide to offer him a contract..and nick him, basically. it's complicated, but it's like an act in haste repent at leisure thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, bobzy said: Exactly. Who did Newcastle buy? well neves is 100% certainty if you dont think that wasnt the plan for day one i dont know what to tell you. They can affectly get a saudi club to buy darwin nunez for example for 100m then sell him to Newcastle or loan him (if they are above FFP) with option to buy following season for a fraction of the price It stinks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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