bobzy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, KAZZAM said: Burnley and Sheff united hopefully won't be here next season. So can we get a revote start of season? It was only meant to be a temporary measure anyway. I don’t think it has that big an impact tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 4 hours ago, bobzy said: It was only meant to be a temporary measure anyway. I don’t think it has that big an impact tbh. Well it was meant to be a temporary measure until the summer when they would agree better long-term measures around sister-clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 22/11/2023 at 11:47, Zatman said: I suppose one of the positive things about this is that we can end that Forest love in that has been going on this board since promotion And Everton in general. **** them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I don't agree with it and it should be banned but at the same time am I the only naive enough to think that the Saudis won't actually be bombarding Newcastle with loan players anyway? Neves OK fair enough but that's because of tonali and actually makes a fair bit of sense I dont sit here thinking that if neymar wasn't injured he'd be on his way, I definitely don't think they're buying players only or specifically to loan them to Newcastle, they still have to develop football in their own country ready for their world cup, they've got 2 sports washing things going on and they won't be overly detrimental to one for the benefit of the other, sending say neymar or another of their crown jewels out on loan puts their league in the bin, completely undermines it I'm also not really seeing that many players that would actually benefit Newcastle... Neves, benzema (would he really?) maybe milenkovic savic or brozovic but after that most of the them left the PL for a reason A lot of it seems scare mongering, "they could buy mbappe for £200m and £1m a week and loan him to Newcastle for £0!!!" yes they could... They won't though will they... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: I don't agree with it and it should be banned but at the same time am I the only naive enough to think that the Saudis won't actually be bombarding Newcastle with loan players anyway? Neves OK fair enough but that's because of tonali and actually makes a fair bit of sense I dont sit here thinking that if neymar wasn't injured he'd be on his way, I definitely don't think they're buying players only or specifically to loan them to Newcastle, they still have to develop football in their own country ready for their world cup, they've got 2 sports washing things going on and they won't be overly detrimental to one for the benefit of the other, sending say neymar or another of their crown jewels out on loan puts their league in the bin, completely undermines it I'm also not really seeing that many players that would actually benefit Newcastle... Neves, benzema (would he really?) maybe milenkovic savic or brozovic but after that most of the them left the PL for a reason A lot of it seems scare mongering, "they could buy mbappe for £200m and £1m a week and loan him to Newcastle for £0!!!" yes they could... They won't though will they... Given that NUFC can only loan 2 player at a time, there's limited scope for abuse as things stand. As you say, Newcastle aren't the sole focus of PIF's football investment efforts. But something like this 'loophole' seems like an added bonus that they'd want to protect. There could also be favourable loan agreements between PIF's Saudi clubs and those who voted against the rule change (there are players that might benefit Burnley, Everton, Sheff Utd etc. playing in that league, even if they wouldn't be suitable for Newcastle). I dunno, maybe this all goes too far into the realms of conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't discount anything at this point given how much corruption exists within football. Edited November 23, 2023 by oishiiniku_uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, oishiiniku_uk said: Given that NUFC can only loan 2 player at a time, there's limited scope for abuse as things stand. As you say, Newcastle aren't the sole focus of PIF's football investment efforts. But something like this 'loophole' seems like an added bonus that they'd want to protect. There could also be favourable loan agreements between PIF's Saudi clubs and those who voted against the rule change (there are players that might benefit Burnley, Everton, Sheff Utd etc. playing in that league, even if they wouldn't be suitable for Newcastle). I dunno, maybe this all goes too far into the realms of conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't discount anything at this point given how much corruption exists within football. I can imagine Benzema and Neymar excitement that they will be farmed out to Burnley and Sheffield United 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, Zatman said: I can imagine Benzema and Neymar excitement that they will be farmed out to Burnley and Sheffield United That's an extreme example, but I'm excited to see if Neymar can do it on a wet Tuesday night at Turf Moor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Maybe if they come up with a rule where you are only allowed to loan or buy one player from a club your associated with per season? So foe example if we loaned a player from vitoria thats only player we can get from any clubs under our umbrealla until following season. Not perfect but better than the current rules i think That might help things abit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Maybe if they come up with a rule where you are only allowed to loan or buy one player from a club your associated with per season? So foe example if we loaned a player from vitoria thats only player we can get from any clubs under our umbrealla until following season. Not perfect but better than the current rules i think That might help things abit That rule is already in place. Can only loan one player per club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) I think he meant "a club your [sic] associated with per season" as the entire group of clubs. I.e Villa could only loan one player in total from Vitoria, Vissel, Zed etc, as opposed to using both our loans on two players from Vitoria or one from Vitoria and one from Vissel Not the worst idea, although personally I'd limit loans to one per season regardless of who they're coming from, unless there's a specified injury crisis that would require an emergency loan in a transfer window Edited November 23, 2023 by StewieGriffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 21/11/2023 at 21:54, Zatman said: City seem to be using them as a feeder club I didn’t know that Sheffield United were owned by Saudi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 I saw somewhere that the PL couldn’t agree on a way forward with the extra payments to the EFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Maybe if they come up with a rule where you are only allowed to loan or buy one player from a club your associated with per season? So foe example if we loaned a player from vitoria thats only player we can get from any clubs under our umbrealla until following season. Not perfect but better than the current rules i think That might help things abit Whatever the rules, no network of clubs should be allowed to own more than 1 team in the same league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Quote The voting structure of the Premier League – with any motion requiring the consent of 14 from 20 clubs to pass – has in the past enabled the competition to stop the big six getting their way, but required the other 14 to act collectively. The votes this week suggest that this structure can no longer be relied upon. Interesting point from an article about the meeting, and it's wider ramifications, on the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/23/premier-league-appears-fractured-as-external-pressures-continue-to-mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ender4 said: I didn’t know that Sheffield United were owned by Saudi! He is probably the poorest Saudi Prince you will find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 23, 2023 Yes I'd probably draw a bit of a distinction between what we think of with 'Saudi' and Sheffield United. They're owned by Saudi royalty, but he's not one of the main guys in the Saudi set up and is actually pretty poor by Saudi royal stakes - poor enough that he'd probably prefer to just sell Sheffield United, especially given that they are in a bit of a financial hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: Yes I'd probably draw a bit of a distinction between what we think of with 'Saudi' and Sheffield United. They're owned by Saudi royalty, but he's not one of the main guys in the Saudi set up and is actually pretty poor by Saudi royal stakes - poor enough that he'd probably prefer to just sell Sheffield United, especially given that they are in a bit of a financial hole. Yet was still pressured enough by PIF to vote with the main Saudis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 10 hours ago, ender4 said: Yet was still pressured enough by PIF to vote with the main Saudis. Well yeah he doesn't want to be accidentally beheaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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