paul514 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 9 hours ago, VillaHatesMe said: 23% of Premier League CBs won a greater share of their aerial duels than Tarkowski. Of course, what that doesn't say is how many of those duels they were in. Tarkowski was in plenty playing for Burnley. For raw aerial duels won, his 4.97 duels won per match was in the 97th percentile. Long story short, he's good in the air, and we need improvements there. Tarkowski and Kamara are clear upgrades over Konsa and Luiz/Nakamba in that area. Ok well that raises a question for me on him. Is that because of Burnley's low block or is that because he personally attempts aerial duels that it isn't possible for him to win which is possibly bad defending. Obviously data can't answer that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 9 hours ago, VillaHatesMe said: I brought up the aerial aspect because it's an important part of the way we defend considering our shape. Rest assured he's good at other things too. Other than blocks and clearances I think those stats are underwhelming. I wasn't worried about signing him until you put this up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 4 hours ago, weedman said: Isn't he 29? I'm very underwhelmed by this signing but it's not the 90's, central defenders are still at their peak well into their 30's as long as they look after themselves (I have no idea if he does or not). There's very little chance of resale value whether we give him a 3 or 5 year contract, and I doubt we'll see a really noticeable decline in his ability between 32 and 34 There are reasons to be underwhelmed by this potential signing, but him getting a 5 year deal instead of a 3 year deal isn't one of them in my opinion 30 in November, no way would I give him a 5 year deal. I'd want three and could live with splitting the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, paul514 said: Other than blocks and clearances I think those stats are underwhelming. I wasn't worried about signing him until you put this up Making huge numbers of blocks and clearances is a consequence of playing at Burnley, I doubt we want to play the same way. I know there's more to Tarkowski than that but the question for me is if he also can be part of transforming the way we build from deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 3 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Not sure on this one. He is ok but a fairy meat and potatoes defender who is nearly 30. Does this mean we have given up on Gomez? Konsa or Hause to be sold? It would seem odd to sell a left sided defender who has been putting up with being forth choice whilst being decent for a right footed defender. For me it means he wants 5 centre backs or Konsa isn't wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, paul514 said: Other than blocks and clearances I think those stats are underwhelming. I wasn't worried about signing him until you put this up Have a look at the player he'd be replacing Ezri Konsa Stats, Goals, Records, Assists, Cups and more | FBref.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 From 2/1 into 1/2 in the betting in the last 2 hours. Admittedly could be nothing but mug punters based on last nights news of us being in for him but still feel its worth passing on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, paul514 said: Other than blocks and clearances I think those stats are underwhelming. I wasn't worried about signing him until you put this up What worries you about those stats? I don't see too much to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, Creeper said: From 2/1 into 1/2 in the betting in the last 2 hours. Admittedly could be nothing but mug punters based on last nights news of us being in for him but still feel its worth passing on Where you seeing this? Nothing on oddschercker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Where you seeing this? Nothing on oddschercker Skybet mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, sparrow1988 said: What worries you about those stats? I don't see too much to worry about. They just aren’t that impressive, players have to be good enough to get us where we aspire to be. I’d hope for more that’s all. I think he is a good player whenever I have actually seen him but it doesn’t bear out as much in those stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 If I'm a striker up against Mings and Tarkowski then I'm not looking forward to the game tbh. I also think we need two CBs who are defenders first if our fullbacks are playing up front. Think it would be a great signing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Adman said: If I'm a striker up against Mings and Tarkowski then I'm not looking forward to the game tbh. I also think we need two CBs who are defenders first if our fullbacks are playing up front. Think it would be a great signing If I'm a striker I might look forward to whenever Martinez tries to play the ball out with Mings and Tarkowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: If I'm a striker I might look forward to whenever Martinez tries to play the ball out with Mings and Tarkowski. If I'm Martinez I'm not going to make hospital passes to my cbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaHatesMe Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, paul514 said: Ok well that raises a question for me on him. Is that because of Burnley's low block or is that because he personally attempts aerial duels that it isn't possible for him to win which is possibly bad defending. Obviously data can't answer that The numbers can't tell us which it is on their own, but combined with what we see with our eyes, I think it's more the former than the latter. Unless he's the greatest aerial threat in the history of the world, the more he's forced to attempt by the way Burnley plays, the more likely he's going to lose some. The only way to truly know from the numbers would be to see how every other player would do when forced to attempt as many as he does. All that said, the fact he still rates this highly despite having more attempts than most others is generally a good sign that the results are "sticky," which indicate it's a genuine skill of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, paul514 said: They just aren’t that impressive, players have to be good enough to get us where we aspire to be. I’d hope for more that’s all. I think he is a good player whenever I have actually seen him but it doesn’t bear out as much in those stats I suppose a lot of those stats are down to the way Burnley play as well though. I wouldn't be too worried if he came, on a reasonable contract of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, Adman said: If I'm Martinez I'm not going to make hospital passes to my cbs If I’m Martinez I’m at home banging my hot wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adam2003 Posted May 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Enda said: If I’m Martinez I’m at home banging my hot wife. You’ll just have to tell your wife we need him at the game. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejs1111 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I was against this initially. However after doing some research I have come around. He was a very good ball playing CB with Brentford so he certainly has that in his locker. He has shown that he has very good instincts and defensive ability in the Premier League. I agree with the age/mobility concerns. But Mings is the mobile CB, Tark is the defensive stallwart. The two could actually make a very good pairing. Plus, with Kamara signed and possibly Bissouma or similar still to arrive... our CBs will have much higher quality DMs types protecting them AND providing passing outlets. That will certainly make their lives easier, less need to lump it forward if you have someone like Kamara always properly showing for the ball. In addition, him arriving on a free leaves transfer funds available to go after the CMs and STs etc etc that Gerrard covets. I'm still of the opinion that we might very well sell 1+ CBs and bring in 1+ CBs. With Konsa injured until January, the Tark signing is just filling the Konsa void imo. I still think we will sell Hause and sign another CB, maybe younger with promise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 The key for me in this is he's a proven Premier League player. With hundreds of games experience, he's played in Europe with Burnley too lets not forget. He's a known quantity and critically he's been consistent. As much as we love Konsa he's had 1 good season in his 3 at Villa so far. We've seen with Chambers, Digne, Coutinho what signing ready made experienced players are like. We'd all call those three signings successful and we're all very positive about their contributions next season after a full pre-season. Tarkowski, Bissouma, Suarez, Oxlaide-Chamberlain etc.. are all proven players in the Premier League. Bissouma being the least experienced has 112 premier league games in 4 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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