Genie Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, HKP90 said: As we've seen with FFP, sporting regulators have real problems confronting powerful sports teams, to the detriment of the sport. Another big problem is the allocation of expenditure between what is and what is not in the cap. Thats why I think it would be interesting to see total spend by each team, and then the spend which is inside the restricted area. I suspect teams like Red Bull have a whole department for making sure money is spent on improving the car but is allocated to areas which are exempt (exploiting loopholes and grey areas in the regulations). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted October 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Another big problem is the allocation of expenditure between what is and what is not in the cap. Thats why I think it would be interesting to see total spend by each team, and then the spend which is inside the restricted area. I suspect teams like Red Bull have a whole department for making sure money is spent on improving the car but is allocated to areas which are exempt (exploiting loopholes and grey areas in the regulations). The sport has always been about the fine line between bending and breaking rules I suppose. It just seems more insidious these days. Although that could be my own bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, HKP90 said: The sport has always been about the fine line between bending and breaking rules I suppose. It just seems more insidious these days. Although that could be my own bias. On a technical level yes. The introduction of spending caps brings a new opportunity to gain an advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2022 Spending caps are always really difficult to administer, in a way I think the FIA have made a bit of a rod for their own backs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 My lads football has been cancelled, I thought it’s a great opportunity to watch all the build up and race this afternoon… doesn’t start till 8pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 29/10/2022 at 09:08, Stevo985 said: Horner in being a total word removed shocker What's really interesting is that the level of intolerance to Horner and his comments us similar to that I read on here about managers like Klopp, Mourinho etc. Sometimes I suspect he does it for a wind up if not just the fans but other teams, mind games if you like. I am that Toto has done it in the past too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) I wonder if people at Red Bull HQ are concerned about the F1 team? Max is supremely talented but not a very likeable person. Horner generally considered a prick by most people. 2 World titles but clouds now over both of them. Caught cheating but Horner comes out fighting saying they deserve an apology which will get many backs up. Horner was instrumental in pressuring Michael Masi at the end of last season. Is there a risk cheating, and being disliked will become synonymous with the brand? Edited October 30, 2022 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: I wonder if people at Red Bull HQ are concerned about the F1 team? Max is supremely talented but not a very likeable person. Horner generally considered a prick by most people. 2 World titles but clouds now over both of them. Caught cheating but Horner comes out fighting saying they deserve an apology which will get many backs up. Is there a risk cheating, and being disliked will become synonymous with the brand? Max is refusing to do interviews with sky, across the uk, German and Italian tv companies over ted kravitz asking him if he feels the drivers titles he won are tainted by the overspending 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 30, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Genie said: Is there a risk cheating, and being disliked will become synonymous with the brand? Possibly, but it's a rebel brand - they're not selling tea or health food, they're selling massive jolts of caffeine and sugar - they like being associated with the bad boys, that's on-brand for them. Nike went through a period where they were the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Keep them off it today and that winless Merc season is so close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Well this is the most boring race for a long time so far. Don't think there's been much movement after the start and 21 laps in everyone still running and 90% of cars are 2 seconds+ behind the car in front of them. What is the fewest on track overtakes ever?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2022 54 minutes ago, Farlz said: Keep them off it today and that winless Merc season is so close Seriously, what is your problem? I can't imagine whats caused so much hate? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted October 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2022 Have mercedes messed this up with their strategy here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said: Have mercedes messed this up with their strategy here? I was wondering that. The Medium was looking good, could have gone longer then switch to soft to finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted October 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, Genie said: I was wondering that. The Medium was looking good, could have gone longer then switch to soft to finish? It'll all boil down to whether the red bulls can make this medium last. They haven't made as much ground as I thought they might over the last twenty laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) What a bore if a race Edited October 30, 2022 by mykeyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 30, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 30, 2022 Mercedes keep telling their drivers that they're on the right tyre as the gaps keep getting bigger. They're either genius's or we're going to hear some very grumpy radio messages in ten laps time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Lichfield Dean said: It'll all boil down to whether the red bulls can make this medium last. They haven't made as much ground as I thought they might over the last twenty laps. I think it’ll hold on. It seems like all tyres are holding up better than predicted. The mediums he had on were still quite good so I don’t know why they didn’t keep going with them until they dropped off. I’m predicting a Lewis Hamilton ear bashing of the team at the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted October 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) Oddly Lewis is drifting further behind now. I would have expected him to start clawing time back back about now. Edit: ah, Merc are saying traffic. Still, 12 seconds is a big ask now even if the mediums do suddenly go off a cliff edge Edited October 30, 2022 by Lichfield Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Ricciardo tearing it up on softs Mercedes should have gone medium until they died -> soft for a sprint finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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