Zatman Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Getting criticized by Gabby now said we are boring to watch and he wouldnt pay to watch us, bloody hell you know its bad when Gabby thinks your shit though he said he shouldnt be sacked just change his tactics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Segundo Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Villa_Vids said: It is my belief that this is "standard practice" for a rudderless club with no identity. A club that has a plan that lasts only as long as the manager and invests millions into that person is unsustainable by every principle imaginable. Do you even remember the Lerner & Xia years? You won't get to the source of the problem if you keep moving the goal posts and hopelessly waiting for a messiah to come in. You can't simply chuck cash at the problem too & you can't be that carefree with the future of the club. I don't want to have an approach that "leaves it into the laps of the gods" That is how I am viewing our predicament atm. Ridiculous thinking on here lately - from wanting the opposition to beat us by heavy margins and encouraging toxic support just to shift the manager. What am I reading? Crazy. This makes the club less attractive to potential good managers, and puts the club in a precarious situation. It is unhealthy and illogical thinking. Those thinking like this are potentially sabotaging the club's future too. But I am the guy who wants to damage the club because I believe a young manager can still turn it around and I have some hope in an individual coming good. Ludicrous. Lastly, I am not advocating the board shouldn't be vested and consider making a change. I am not opposed to moving Gerrard out for a well reasoned appointment and plan, but not just so we make an angry and irrational mob feel better about themselves for a tiny amount of time - no way. And for the same reason Gerrard shouldn't be kept on if purely for Purslow's vanity and reputation. The true question is what do Aston Villa want to be? Nope it's standard practice for Chelsea, Spurs. City, Liverpool, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern and other successful clubs who are a long way from "rudderless". When a manager doesn't meet the expectations or remit of the club and fans, those clubs do not stick with them for fear of damaging the club or putting off other managers. When the managers do meet the expectations and carry out the remit they tend to stay. It's that simple and it's blindingly obvious. The Lerner and Xia years saw a succession of poor manager choices, true - but would we have been better off sticking with McLeish after a year of failure, or Lambert or Bruce after a couple of years of failure? No because we eventually got Smith who got us promoted and then to 11th place. How was that unsustainable? The fans wanted them out, it didn't put Smith or Gerrard off joining - because they know that's how football fans are, and that's how football is. As Gerrard has said himself in the video above. Accepting short term pain for the possibility of a longer term gain is not illogical. I don't want us to lose any game, however if it meant we got rid of Gerrard I would take one or two defeats, because I think the long term upside would be much greater than if we win and keep him. What is illogical is looking at an 11 month track record of failure and inability to learn from mistakes and still believing it is all magically going to change and that it isn't doing serious damage to the club. It's way more of a fantasy to believe Gerrard will suddenly learns how to manage and coach, than to believe a carefully selected new guy coming in would do better. This is no irrational mob, angry yes, but it is perfectly rational to want rid of someone who has been failing our club for 11 months. There is (or was) a well reasoned plan - continuous progress towards European places, development of the Academy, Identifying and buying promising players, build up demand and increase capacity to increase revenue, and so on. There are managers currently available that would represent a "well reasoned appointment" who, based on their track records, would be way more likely to deliver on that plan than this competent version of Gerrard that you and very few others seem to think is just about to materialise. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 I really don’t know anymore than Stevie G does when confronted by a tactics board but I think the delay is probably more about his successor than him being ditched. There could be any number of contractual reasons buried deep in lawyer speak either on the incumbent’s side or even Gerrard’s. Equally we’re employing a human being with all the complications that come along in everyday life. Wife, kids, school, houses etc. If anyone in any job moves to another company it usually takes more than a few days to even decide given all the human factors involved on top of the actual job. Well that’s what I’m comforting myself with today anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 @El Segundo has echoed exactly how it should be .. there should be no further discussion after reading his statement earlier… he should be gone with immediate effect and we need to start a new era with someone else its plain and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) My biggest biggest fear is that the owners are not aware of how much of a predicament we are in and gerrard is safe or that purslow is scared to pull the trigger… and also not knowing how awful the performances have been and only hearing about results Edited October 12, 2022 by RicRic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, RicRic said: @El Segundo has echoed exactly how it should be .. there should be no further discussion after reading his statement earlier… he should be gone with immediate effect and we need to start a new era with someone else its plain and simple What statement and by who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 44 minutes ago, Keyblade said: What even is the point of giving him the Chelsea game other than to sort out his replacement in the background? What's going to happen in that 1 game that will drastically alter his and our trajectory? We going to beat them 5-0 or something? Purslow constantly lengthening the rope for his boy is annoying as hell. Just accept it man. Would it make any difference if we beat them 5-0, not for me. He's already gone as far as I'm concerned, just awaiting the new manager signatures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Would it make any difference if we beat them 5-0, not for me. He's already gone as far as I'm concerned, just awaiting the new manager signatures If I didn't catch any of the game and just saw the score hours later my initial response would be **** hell what did Chelsea do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Would it make any difference if we beat them 5-0, not for me. He's already gone as far as I'm concerned, just awaiting the new manager signatures If we beat them 5-0 then he won't be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 So now Gabby aka Mr Aston Villa doesn’t want to watch us because we’re so boring. A sentiment shared by most of the country at the moment. Our captain said he would turn the TV off had been been watching the Leeds game. I’m afraid that Gerrard’s continued employment here is doing the club some real harm. This is at a time when we’re planning to increase the ground capacity. If this goes on much longer we won’t be filling the ground with its current capacity. Leaving aside the effect it’s having on us the fans and the dwindling enthusiasm to attend games, any chance of selling corporate packages as a form of corporate ENTERTAINMENT, will soon be harder than selling a weekend in Moscow. I can’t imagine our sponsors are particularly thrilled either. Unless we have any interest from a company selling insomnia cures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: a weekend in Moscow How much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, romavillan said: How much? A tenner including flights, hotel and a free Kalashnikov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) We don't do better against the top 6 with Gerrard. Maybe we don't get plastered by them but since Gerrard has taken over, we have played the Sky 6 10 times for a total of 2 points (draw vs United and draw vs City) with 9 goals for and 21 goals against. vs the other 14 we have 42 points from 26 games with 36 goals for and 24 goals against. Edited October 12, 2022 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 14:05, Tom13 said: I've got a new favourite panini! People like this Twitter OP should be given public lashings. Odious bottom-feeders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, DJBOB said: We don't do better against the top 6 with Gerrard. Maybe we don't get plastered by them but since Gerrard has taken over, we have played the Sky 6 10 times for a total of 2 points (draw vs United and draw vs City) with 9 goals for and 21 goals against. vs the other 14 we have 42 points from 26 games with 36 goals for and 24 goals against. We are hopeless against the top 10. He truly is the new Bruce. Any team above him in the table and he goes full clamshell. No belief. In the 20/21 season we picked up 16 points from 12 games against the traditional top 6. The only teams we failed to beat that season were the Manchester clubs, and by my recollection we got ****'d over by VAR in 2 of those games. 3 points out of 6 against Liverpool and Spurs, 4/6 against Chelsea and 6/6 against Arsenal. What I'd give to be a threat against the top teams again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: A tenner including flights, hotel and a free Kalashnikov. Wow, the other bloke wanted £15 and no AK47! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, DJBOB said: We don't do better against the top 6 with Gerrard. Maybe we don't get plastered by them but since Gerrard has taken over, we have played the Sky 6 10 times for a total of 2 points (draw vs United and draw vs City) with 9 goals for and 21 goals against. vs the other 14 we have 42 points from 26 games with 36 goals for and 24 goals against. We got more points vs them last season under Smith in just 2 games than in all the trainees game against them so far combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Article from December 2021, Gerrard is incredibly ranked 16th, ahead of Zidane Ranked! The 50 best managers in the world | FourFourTwo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Zatman said: We got more points vs them last season under Smith in just 2 games than in all the trainees game against them so far combined Even in our survival season we got 4 points against them, and some good performances with the likes of Trezeguet and Wesley up front (Arsenal and Spurs away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: We got more points vs them last season under Smith in just 2 games than in all the trainees game against them so far combined 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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