Steven Gerrard

[TRO]

7 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Whilst performance are poor I have a feeling all the players are behind Gerrard and what he is trying to do hence the continues support from the club. When players start to turn it’s normally the end.  I don’t think it’s a simple as they won’t sack him because his Purslow’s mate. 

"Purslows Mate".....I find it funny....I think some are serious, which makes it even more comical.

CEO's get those jobs, because they are ruthless....and have to be seen, to be.

[Laughable Chimp]

I'm back to Gerrard in

[ciggiesnbeer]

20 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said:

I'm back to Gerrard in

Still game by game for me. I hope he can get me back to in. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer

[nick76]

5 hours ago, TRO said:

It must be torture for you watching Villa at Present......I really hope it picks up for you Nick.

Isn’t it torture for most, we are neither good to watch or pick up consistently good results.  

[daft]

9 hours ago, nick76 said:

The way our results and performances are for so long there should be no way he is still our manager, it doesn’t need any other reason like player disharmony.

I get your point, but that is just not a true statement. If you had been chairman, owner or otherwise involved he'd probably be gone, but claiming that he objectively should be out is just spurious. The powers in charge see something, hope, belief something that sees him still on the job.

Yeah, it's frustrating and I wish we could just snap our fingers and we'd have a proven, world class manager in charge, but things just doesn't work like that. It's hard to be patient, but right now we have no other choice outside of rioting outside Villa Park until they arrest the fans or fire him. 

[daft]

1 minute ago, nick76 said:

Isn’t it torture for most, we are neither good to watch or pick up consistently good results.  

No. it isn't torture. Much like you I've followed Villa for a long time, and at times it feels like we are cursed and just can't kick on. We play poor football, but Jesus Christ, that happens sometimes. It's annoying as **** and I really wish we could play scintillating, incisive football that would be the envy of others, but for me to call it torture wouldn't even be close to the truth and would be extremely hyperbolic.

Do I like what I see? No way. I haven't really liked what I've seen for a long time. The Championship years was just a reminder of our massive failure in not managing to stay up. I hated football in general then, as it was **** painful to be constantly reminded of us not being in the top flight, but that wasn't really torture either. It was just sad, as I doubted we had the ability to go back up until we hit the season where we actually did. 

But yeah, to each his own, but I'm not sure many actually see it as torturous, but what do I know? 

[Vive_La_Villa]

1 minute ago, daft said:

No. it isn't torture. Much like you I've followed Villa for a long time, and at times it feels like we are cursed and just can't kick on. We play poor football, but Jesus Christ, that happens sometimes. It's annoying as **** and I really wish we could play scintillating, incisive football that would be the envy of others, but for me to call it torture wouldn't even be close to the truth and would be extremely hyperbolic.

Do I like what I see? No way. I haven't really liked what I've seen for a long time. The Championship years was just a reminder of our massive failure in not managing to stay up. I hated football in general then, as it was **** painful to be constantly reminded of us not being in the top flight, but that wasn't really torture either. It was just sad, as I doubted we had the ability to go back up until we hit the season where we actually did. 

But yeah, to each his own, but I'm not sure many actually see it as torturous, but what do I know? 

It’s shit but it’s not torture  I remember the Mcleish, Lambert Sherwood years. If we hadn’t conceded after 10 minutes it felt like a result. No way is it as bad as that under Gerrard. But thats most likely because we have better players. 
 

I totally get those that don’t agree. 

[daft]

2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

It’s shit but it’s not torture  I remember the Mcleish, Lambert Sherwood years. If we hadn’t conceded after 10 minutes it felt like a result. No way is it as bad as that under Gerrard. But thats most likely because we have better players. 
 

I totally get those that don’t agree. 

I also fully understand wanting him gone STAT. I just think the record is stuck on repeat now and we keep repeating the same message with increasing hyperbole. 

[DaveAV1]

5 hours ago, TRO said:

"Purslows Mate".....I find it funny....I think some are serious, which makes it even more comical.

CEO's get those jobs, because they are ruthless....and have to be seen, to be.

They’re also humans with faults and self interest. Our CEO has consistently demonstrated his love of the limelight and that is his weakness. Apart from being a reasonably competent CEO who came in to steady the ship under new owners who were feeling their way around the English football business, I’m not sure he’s done anything remarkable but that’s for another thread. 

[nick76]

49 minutes ago, daft said:

I get your point, but that is just not a true statement. If you had been chairman, owner or otherwise involved he'd probably be gone, but claiming that he objectively should be out is just spurious. The powers in charge see something, hope, belief something that sees him still on the job.

Yeah, it's frustrating and I wish we could just snap our fingers and we'd have a proven, world class manager in charge, but things just doesn't work like that. It's hard to be patient, but right now we have no other choice outside of rioting outside Villa Park until they arrest the fans or fire him. 

Never said we should protest or riot, I think you’re taking that to an extreme.  I also didn’t say a world class manager because it’s unlikely we’d get one but a decent manager would get more out of this squad.  I’m not saying “anybody but Gerrard” my point is that objectively based on history of sacking Smith based results of 2021 and Purslows comment about not achieving the level they expect, added to the consistently poor performances for such a long time then you could argue that based on the previous standard, that objectively it’s surprising that Gerrard is still manager.  After almost a year in charge he hasn’t improved on the standard Smith was sacked for, therefore yes objectively you can say he shouldn’t be here now based on what we see.  Now behind the scenes there maybe other factors but on the factors we see it’s hard to argue with given the Purslows statement.

[Zhan_Zhuang]

Lots of talk about scintillating football but let's not forget we are years away from the existing top six.

I want to see Villa digging in to win a point from a match we might normally have lost, hence this pragmatic approach we are currently hearing.

I'm also of the opinion to take it one game at a time, there has been improvement recently in the last couple of games. Villa have some winnable matches coming up, if we can get a few wins and remain unbeaten we will be comfortably top ten. That WILL be progress!

UTV

[daft]

29 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Never said we should protest or riot, I think you’re taking that to an extreme.  I also didn’t say a world class manager because it’s unlikely we’d get one but a decent manager would get more out of this squad.  I’m not saying “anybody but Gerrard” my point is that objectively based on history of sacking Smith based results of 2021 and Purslows comment about not achieving the level they expect, added to the consistently poor performances for such a long time then you could argue that based on the previous standard, that objectively it’s surprising that Gerrard is still manager.  After almost a year in charge he hasn’t improved on the standard Smith was sacked for, therefore yes objectively you can say he shouldn’t be here now based on what we see.  Now behind the scenes there maybe other factors but on the factors we see it’s hard to argue with given the Purslows statement.

I get what you're saying, and I'm not claiming you advocated riots, that was my own suggestion for forcing change. 

What I mean is that I think the club sees something we don't OR they're are just waiting for his successor to accept their offer and SG will be off. I think we all want the same things, nice football and a proper go at the upper half of the table. I also think most if not all fans that have seen Villa over the past year agrees this is not good stuff. We might differ in our view of why, with some suspecting issues with the squad, and not just the manager, but we need to be patient regardless. I think he'll be gone sooner rather than later, for one reason or another.

[Tom13]

1 hour ago, daft said:

Do I like what I see? No way. I haven't really liked what I've seen for a long time. The Championship years was just a reminder of our massive failure in not managing to stay up. I hated football in general then, as it was **** painful to be constantly reminded of us not being in the top flight, but that wasn't really torture either. It was just sad, as I doubted we had the ability to go back up until we hit the season where we actually did.

I actually really enjoyed most of our three Championship seasons (most of the first one aside), it was a refreshing change.

[daft]

Just now, Tom13 said:

I actually really enjoyed most of our three Championship seasons (most of the first one aside), it was a refreshing change.

I can fully understand that and see why people would. 

[VillaChris]

3 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

It’s shit but it’s not torture  I remember the Mcleish, Lambert Sherwood years. If we hadn’t conceded after 10 minutes it felt like a result. No way is it as bad as that under Gerrard. But thats most likely because we have better players. 
 

I totally get those that don’t agree. 

The issue for many is we sacked Smith due to the feeling we couldn't kick on and he was going to waste the period post Grealish (especially due to our results in last part of 20/21 being poor when he got injured). He left and we finished about two places higher in the table. 

We are just stuck in bottom half seemingly under Gerrard so there's little progress in the near 12 months he's been in charge. In this period he's been allowed to sign Kamara, Digne, Coutinho and Carlos so reasonable chance to shape side to how he wants aswell.

[Vive_La_Villa]

45 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

The issue for many is we sacked Smith due to the feeling we couldn't kick on and he was going to waste the period post Grealish (especially due to our results in last part of 20/21 being poor when he got injured). He left and we finished about two places higher in the table. 

We are just stuck in bottom half seemingly under Gerrard so there's little progress in the near 12 months he's been in charge. In this period he's been allowed to sign Kamara, Digne, Coutinho and Carlos so reasonable chance to shape side to how he wants aswell.

Yeh and three of them now out long term. It’s back to square one.

[daft]

2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Yeh and three of them now out long term. It’s back to square one.

This bothers me more than anything else to be honest. Digne seems to have been a bit of a bust, but no manager or club ever goes 100% on signings, and I think Couts was a sound purchase considering his loan spell and fee, Kamara and Carlos very, very good on paper, with a proper chance of really improving the squad. Now we'll have to wait and see if that is indeed the case as three of them are out. So net we haven't really added to the squad at all if we consider Couts part of last years squad. And I certainly don't think SG will suddenly find ways of extracting that extra bit of effort from the guys all of a sudden.

It's bad luck really, and we're in for a bitch of a run until January when we might be able to add one or two more of quality, even though I doubt our ability to do so considering our rather bashful Summer. 

[Vive_La_Villa]

5 minutes ago, daft said:

This bothers me more than anything else to be honest. Digne seems to have been a bit of a bust, but no manager or club ever goes 100% on signings, and I think Couts was a sound purchase considering his loan spell and fee, Kamara and Carlos very, very good on paper, with a proper chance of really improving the squad. Now we'll have to wait and see if that is indeed the case as three of them are out. So net we haven't really added to the squad at all if we consider Couts part of last years squad. And I certainly don't think SG will suddenly find ways of extracting that extra bit of effort from the guys all of a sudden.

It's bad luck really, and we're in for a bitch of a run until January when we might be able to add one or two more of quality, even though I doubt our ability to do so considering our rather bashful Summer. 

Maybe the club have held back on backing Gerrard too much on transfers until he proves himself capable. If he can’t improve us anymore then Smith could with more or less the same squad it’s pointless having him in charge. 

[daft]

28 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Maybe the club have held back on backing Gerrard too much on transfers until he proves himself capable. If he can’t improve us anymore then Smith could with more or less the same squad it’s pointless having him in charge. 

Could be, although I would consider that to be rather counterproductive. I mean, if they leave him in charge but refuses to buy players he wants feels like a very self defeating strategy, and essentially a value judgement that he actually isn't good enough to be trusted. If that is the case I just don't see why they haven't already fired him. I think that would essentially mean that he's all but fired in practice, and the club is just waiting for his successor to say 'yes' before pulling the trigger.

I think it's more a case of the coaching staff saying that we have essentially what we need, with due concern to how the transfer market is inflated but our competition. 

Granted, I've neither owned, coached or even been involved in the running of clubs such as Villa, but to me it just smells of bad management if they refuse him players. 

[villa89]

6 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said:

I'm back to Gerrard in

Like our players he gets better when there are no matches to see how bad he is.