foreveryoung Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 We obviously didn't see what other managers are seeing, how to play against Leeds. They ain't that special losing against palace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rino8 said: Hopefully one day the people looking at VAR will understand the offside rule The people looking at VAR were right to call it offside as it was...by the letter of the law! His shoulder WAS offside. If you are talking about changing the rule then that is different, but what to? The bigger problem is whatever they change the rule to people will complain over close calls. We just have to get used to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: We obviously didn't see what other managers are seeing, how to play against Leeds. They ain't that special losing against palace They are just a midtable side. In that resect they will beat some teams and lose to others! Same as us really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nigel said: The people looking at VAR were right to call it offside as it was...by the letter of the law! His shoulder WAS offside. If you are talking about changing the rule then that is different, but what to? The bigger problem is whatever they change the rule to people will complain over close calls. We just have to get used to it! The ultimate problem with VAR and offside is that no matter what you change the rules to, there will always be decisions made by millimetres, it's just moving the area of controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted November 7, 2020 Visiting Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nigel said: The people looking at VAR were right to call it offside as it was...by the letter of the law! His shoulder WAS offside. If you are talking about changing the rule then that is different, but what to? The bigger problem is whatever they change the rule to people will complain over close calls. We just have to get used to it! Use some common sense. Its a ball on the ground, he's in a natural running position and his feet are about two yards behind the defenders. look at that?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nigel said: The people looking at VAR were right to call it offside as it was...by the letter of the law! His shoulder WAS offside. If you are talking about changing the rule then that is different, but what to? The bigger problem is whatever they change the rule to people will complain over close calls. We just have to get used to it! Quite. Offside will always have very marginal calls. In a way, I'm happier with the VAR use of offside than other aspects of it. At least the way they handle offside is consistent across the board so it's balanced for all teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, MessiWillSignForVilla said: The ultimate problem with VAR and offside is that no matter what you change the rules to, there will always be decisions made by millimetres, it's just moving the area of controversy. Exactly, there has to be a rule. The rule ATM is fine, people just dont like when close calls go against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rino8 said: Use some common sense. Its a ball on the ground, he's in a natural running position and his feet are about two yards behind the defenders. look at that?? 'Use common sense' comes down to interpretation though, which will open up more margin for error. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rino8 said: Use some common sense. Its a ball on the ground, he's in a natural running position and his feet are about two yards behind the defenders. look at that?? Its taken from the start of the shoulder, think they called it the tshirt line at the start of the season. As for the feet positioning that has nothing to do with it under current rules. TBH it probably be a better rule to take it from feet positioning as it would make the measurements easier to see; However atm the rules are the rules! Edited November 7, 2020 by Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 That's one of the most ridiculous offside calls I have seen. So you can't call for the ball anymore, with risk of having an arm offside. Look where his feet are??? Common sense please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 I guess the only other way they could do it is by saying that you're only offside if the part of your body that touches the ball next was offside when the ball is played. So in the bamford example, unless his next touch would have been on his shoulder then he would have been onside. But that would get quite complex quite quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nigel said: Its taken from the start of the shoulder, think they called it the tshirt line at the start of the season. That's for handball. the offside rule, even in this year's Laws of the Game is quite clear that hands and arms should not allow a player to be offside. Which in a way is inconsistant, I agree, but it is in keeping with even the keepers' arms not counting.. They've **** up the rules so much even the refs don't know them anymore. PDF :https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/laws-of-the-game/2020-21/laws-of-the-game-2020-21.ashx Quote Offside position It is not an offence to be in an offside position. A player is in an offside position if: • any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and • any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: I guess the only other way they could do it is by saying that you're only offside if the part of your body that touches the ball next was offside when the ball is played. So in the bamford example, unless his next touch would have been on his shoulder then he would have been onside. But that would get quite complex quite quickly. Has to be feet, simples. Arms, shoulders have zero advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Has to be feet, simples. Arms, shoulders have zero advantage. What about if you score with a diving header but your head is offside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Davkaus said: That's for handball. the offside rule, even in this year's Laws of the Game is quite clear that hands and arms should not allow a player to be offside. Which in a way is inconsistant, I agree, but it is in keeping with even the keepers' arms not counting.. They've **** up the rules so much even the refs don't know them anymore. PDF :https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/laws-of-the-game/2020-21/laws-of-the-game-2020-21.ashx If the handball line is called at the tshirt line then anything above is considered fair game to score a goal with. The rule is dumb but that is the rule as far as im aware. Edited November 7, 2020 by Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, PieFacE said: What about if you score with a diving header but your head is offside? Actually a good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: We obviously didn't see what other managers are seeing, how to play against Leeds. They ain't that special losing against palace could also counter argue about the genius of Bielsa here, Roy Hodgson has played the same tactics for 30 years and he played into there hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Hogan goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I think everybody knows the offside rule is flawed, was the same with Wesley last season and Mane a few weeks back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nigel said: If the handball line is called at the tshirt line then anything above is considered fair game to score a goal with. The rule is dumb but that is the rule as far as im aware. As I say, that's the rule for handball. They should not be included for offside. I've literally included the Laws of the Game from the FA's website which explicitly state that this isn't the case. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's there in this season's rules in black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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