JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Looked quite sharp tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 I think it’s fair to read into last night’s game that Archer is quite some way off Unai’s first team plans - only getting a 10 min run out when our only senior striker has played most games does not bode well for the lad. Ollie has played a lot of minutes in preseason and that has nothing to do with fitness as we know he’s prob the fittest player in the squad. It does look as though Unai hasn’t seen enough in Cam so far. I’m even more certain that a new striker will be coming in and Cam will be leaving either on loan or even permanently. I would even speculate that Duran, once fit, is ahead of Cam in the pecking order…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 5 hours ago, eholm said: I think it’s fair to read into last night’s game that Archer is quite some way off Unai’s first team plans - only getting a 10 min run out when our only senior striker has played most games does not bode well for the lad. Ollie has played a lot of minutes in preseason and that has nothing to do with fitness as we know he’s prob the fittest player in the squad. It does look as though Unai hasn’t seen enough in Cam so far. I’m even more certain that a new striker will be coming in and Cam will be leaving either on loan or even permanently. I would even speculate that Duran, once fit, is ahead of Cam in the pecking order…. He need to adapt his game more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, Pinebro said: He need to adapt his game more Agree. To do that he needs regular game time and I don’t think ECL games will be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Sell him. It's pure FFP profit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Sell him. It's pure FFP profit. In terms of current market value it would be a good time to sell him now. Reading between the lines re minutes and performances during pre season, if we do sign a new striker (hopefully), I think he may well be sold, imo. If Unai believes he can deputise in the absence of OW then we won’t bring another striker in…..The next 25 days will tell us all we need to know about Cam’s long term future at the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 38 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Sell him. It's pure FFP profit. He'll be given time to force his way into the teams plans. If he needs game time come January another loan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) I think he’ll stay. Duran doesn’t seem fit and we have no other CF options. I don’t expect a big name coming in at striker. Archer needs to be given chances and to see if he can develop his game. Unai has worked wonders with the rest of the squad. He can do the same with Archer if he’s willing. Edited August 6, 2023 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Of course I'd like us to produce our own stars where possible but right now, for this season, I'd have no problem selling Archer and bringing in a senior striker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 9 hours ago, eholm said: I think it’s fair to read into last night’s game that Archer is quite some way off Unai’s first team plans - only getting a 10 min run out when our only senior striker has played most games does not bode well for the lad. Ollie has played a lot of minutes in preseason and that has nothing to do with fitness as we know he’s prob the fittest player in the squad. It does look as though Unai hasn’t seen enough in Cam so far. I’m even more certain that a new striker will be coming in and Cam will be leaving either on loan or even permanently. I would even speculate that Duran, once fit, is ahead of Cam in the pecking order…. I wouldn't read too much into that. Don't forget his current level of match fitness is a lot better than most of the squad's after he had minutes with the U21s, so he doesn't need as many minutes. Watkins is undoubted no1 so hardly surprising he played so many minutes in our last game before the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, eholm said: I think it’s fair to read into last night’s game that Archer is quite some way off Unai’s first team plans - only getting a 10 min run out when our only senior striker has played most games does not bode well for the lad. Ollie has played a lot of minutes in preseason and that has nothing to do with fitness as we know he’s prob the fittest player in the squad. It does look as though Unai hasn’t seen enough in Cam so far. I’m even more certain that a new striker will be coming in and Cam will be leaving either on loan or even permanently. I would even speculate that Duran, once fit, is ahead of Cam in the pecking order…. But if we sold or loaned him and then bought a new striker we’d be over the squad limits for non-homegrown players for Europe, so it would require some careful wheeling and dealing in the squad and/or potentially leaving another area light. If one striker leaves it would probably be Duran for that reason, unless we got rid of both to make way for 1 better striker which could happen I guess but starts to getting more complicated than just giving Archer a go in the cups Edited August 6, 2023 by david-avfc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 43 minutes ago, david-avfc said: But if we sold or loaned him and then bought a new striker we’d be over the squad limits for non-homegrown players for Europe Hadn’t considered this point at all… I guess that’s why Brennan Johnson’s name is being bandied about over say Pino, Baena or Veiga etc. Signing Matej Kovar to replace Olsen opens up a slot… Back to Archer I cannot see us actively looking to sell but would if a suitable offer came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 I think his preseason with the team has been a little underwhelming. He's an excellent championship striker but with quicker more athletic CB's in the PL I think he may well struggle to get game time. Especially if Diaby can play up top with Buendia, Coutinho etc in behind him. If Watkins isn't available that is. Really like him to come good for us but not sure he's going to get anywhere near enough minutes to find his feet at this level with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Tom13 said: I wouldn't read too much into that. Don't forget his current level of match fitness is a lot better than most of the squad's after he had minutes with the U21s, so he doesn't need as many minutes. Watkins is undoubted no1 so hardly surprising he played so many minutes in our last game before the season. He barely played for the u21s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 2 hours ago, thabucks said: Back to Archer I cannot see us actively looking to sell but would if a suitable offer came in. Absolutely…..and if we do sign another striker then I feel there would be an air of inevitability about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Really like him to come good for us but not sure he's going to get anywhere near enough minutes to find his feet at this level with us. Agree….and I think that’s the concern. As I’ve mentioned already, his immediate and probably long term future will be decided in the next 25 days. I imagine we are looking to strengthen up front but IF we can’t then he will stay in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 6 hours ago, CVByrne said: He'll be given time to force his way into the teams plans. If he needs game time come January another loan That’s exactly what happened last season though and many said Gerrard wasted 6 months of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 How many PL mins has he had with us? Think we need to hold off selling/loaning him until he's had some actual gametime (competitive) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: That’s exactly what happened last season though and many said Gerrard wasted 6 months of his career. Gerrard is a poor coach and we were in a slump from our first game last season. No opportunity to give Cam time in games. ECL and EFL Cup are good opportunities. Plus time off the bench in the Prem. Look if he takes his chance then great. If he doesn't he needs to move on for his career. Edited August 6, 2023 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Give him a run of games and he'll score goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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