hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Sounded a bit of a bell end in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 If he read this site and saw how other young defenders have been treated during their development, there'd be no chance of him signing tbf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 What is the situation with our leaders and staff, do any of them speak any other language than English? Might be an issue when signing players. Kicky, bally, heady, runny boopity boopy might be an issue during tactics (should we choose to use tactics) Can totally see Villa omitting this part of handling players and hiving them greeted by someone like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, lexicon said: If he read this site and saw how other young defenders have been treated during their development, there'd be no chance of him signing tbf. Such as ? - surley you not on about Bree, Sulliman - they either aren't ready or not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, hippo said: Such as ? - surley you not on about Bree, Sulliman - they either aren't ready or not good enough. Clark, Okore and Baker spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, sne said: What is the situation with our leaders and staff, do any of them speak any other language than English? Might be an issue when signing players. Kicky, bally, heady, runny boopity boopy might be an issue during tactics (should we choose to use tactics) Can totally see Villa omitting this part of handling players and hiving them greeted by someone like English is the universal language - a lot of Europeans speak there own language - and English as well. Often people think its English arrogance that most brits only speak English, whilst our European counterparts speak many - however if most people speak english - then there is no need for us brits to learn a second language. - don't see Bruce not speaking french a deal breaker to be honest - the guy will have agent who will either have access to interpreter - or will speak the lingo himself. I think this on hit the rocks - as the player didn't want to leave France - and if he did could probably himself a low end prem club in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, hippo said: English is the universal language - a lot of Europeans speak there own language - and English as well. Often people think its English arrogance that most brits only speak English, whilst our European counterparts speak many - however if most people speak english - then there is no need for us brits to learn a second language. - don't see Bruce not speaking french a deal breaker to be honest - the guy will have agent who will either have access to interpreter - or will speak the lingo himself. I think this on hit the rocks - as the player didn't want to leave France - and if he did could probably himself a low end prem club in the summer. Thanks for the education I'm from Sweden BTW But this was asked more on a broader scale as it has been an issue at the club for a long while (before Bruce so not a slight at him) As much as most (?) young people in Europe has as least rudimentary skills in English, there is quite the gap from that to being comfortable in it. Trust me. Speaking of arrogance, if you ever go to France you'll find that they are in many cases not at all keen on speaking anything other than French. Same goes for rural Italy and Spain. I've no idea why this one might have hit the rocks, only brought it up because I came to think about it. Really hope the club has learned a lesson or 2 from the Veretout, Amavi, Gil... fiasco. Help the players as much as possible in bedding in. Once again, not a dig towards Bruce. He isn't the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, lexicon said: Clark, Okore and Baker spring to mind. don't get that TBH. Clark and Baker were pretty regular even when plying there trade as rookies - Clark in particular got himself a decent move to a prem club - as spoke highly of the club at his time of leaving. Baker I beleive is a regular at Bristol C. Okore blew hot and cold after his injury - ...I don't believe any of those players were treated poorly by the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, sne said: Thanks for the education I'm from Sweden BTW But this was asked more on a broader scale as it has been an issue at the club for a long while (before Bruce so not a slight at him) As much as most (?) young people in Europe has as least rudimentary skills in English, there is quite the gap from that to being comfortable in it. Trust me. Speaking of arrogance, if you ever go to France you'll find that they are in many cases not at all keen on speaking anything other than French. Same goes for rural Italy and Spain. I've no idea why this one might have hit the rocks, only brought it up because I came to think about it. Really hope the club has learned a lesson or 2 from the Veretout, Amavi, Gil... fiasco. Help the players as much as possible in bedding in. Once again, not a dig towards Bruce. He isn't the club. Still not buying it - plenty have overseas players have settled here, laursen, benteke, JPA, etc - Veretout was quoted a while after he left - that he never gave it his best shot here - something along the lines of he found the few games tough - and from then on was focused on getting a move away. Amavi I thought we sold to raise funds - and again he suffered from a big injurY - Gil I was never sure of - but hasn't been a raving sucess sincle leaving villa. These are blokes in there early twenties - they are happy to take the six figure salaries, and have to man up a bit. no one wrapped Sammy Morgan or Andy Lochead in cotton wool. too many of the take the signing on fee, within six months are looking for next one. personally I wouldn't pander to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, hippo said: Still not buying it Buy what? That language can be a barrier? OK. Also think there was a bit more on the Veretout story, than that. Wasn't he basically put in a hotel with his girlfriend and new born baby and left to his devices without anyone from the club talking to him. Not even Sherwood,. When Garde took over the damage was already done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Kodija, RDL, Tuanzabe and Bolasie all speak French. They will help him settle. edit: assume they all do. Edited August 30, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Bloody hell, i don't think there are many people on this site that have been as vocal as me for the need to change our manager, but even i can't find a reason to blame Bruce for this one. There are many sticks to beat the bloke, this isn't one. I will blame Bruce if there is no plan b, but there is still time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, sne said: What is the situation with our leaders and staff, do any of them speak any other language than English? Might be an issue when signing players. Kicky, bally, heady, runny boopity boopy might be an issue during tactics (should we choose to use tactics) Can totally see Villa omitting this part of handling players and hiving them greeted by someone like Eric Black spoke French and he was a dick so we did try and failed. so lesson learned.......never try 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, Farlz said: What's to sleep on? Play for the greatest team ever to grace this awful planet or play for Villa?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, sne said: Buy what? That language can be a barrier? OK. Also think there was a bit more on the Veretout story, than that. Wasn't he basically put in a hotel with his girlfriend and new born baby and left to his devices without anyone from the club talking to him. Not even Sherwood,. When Garde took over the damage was already done. Oh my god - how could he have possibly survived ? - the club should have a put a care package in place - with 4 times daily home visits from social services, and a turndown team, to tuck him at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Oh my god - how could he have possibly survived ? - the club should have a put a care package in place - with 4 times daily home visits from social services, and a turndown team, to tuck him at night. Ridiculous. Having just moved to a new country where I don't think he spoke much of the language, with a new born baby it wouldn't have taken much from the club to look out for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Oh my god - how could he have possibly survived ? - the club should have a put a care package in place - with 4 times daily home visits from social services, and a turndown team, to tuck him at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, daggy_333 said: Ridiculous. Having just moved to a new country where I don't think he spoke much of the language, with a new born baby it wouldn't have taken much from the club to look out for him. or he could have shown an ounce of gumption - and done something himself - perish the thought ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, hippo said: or he could have shown an ounce of gumption - and done something himself - perish the thought ! You're completely entitled to your opinion that's what forums are for but i think you're being a bit hard nosed for expecting a 22 year old who had just moved abroad to a country that speaks a different language to him, whilst dealing with a new born baby. Add that to the fact that the manager at the time appeared to throw him to one side without explanation. It's hardly any wonder that it didn't work out for him with us and now hes tearing up Serie A. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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