magnkarl Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: All these protestors need to piss off now. Half of them are only there because they have sheep sydrome and have no clue what they're protesting for. When I've tried to have a conversation with them, that seems to be the case for about half of them, yes. 'What does from the ri... mean?' 'Hurr durr, you're trying to catch me out!' 'What does intifada mean in the context of Palestine consider you have it on your poster?' 'I got it from a stall down the road and to be honest with you I don't know but Israel!'. I think a lot of them are whipped up by people like George Galloway, SWP, Chris Williamson, the usual suspects and their underlying anti-semitic tendenies (especially if they're second or third generation from that part of the world). That's not to say that there aren't an awful lot of people with good points, I just think many of them are there because it's popular and the cool thing to do. Or else they'd also be in the protest march for Ukraine. As a population we're getting more and more dumb and divided, the way some of these people act are a byproduct of that. Hard times create strong people, strong people create better times, good times create weak people and weak people create hard times. Edited May 1 by magnkarl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Different people on different marches in different places. My experience in Cardiff has not been aggressive it has been noisy but not threatening, It has been a nuisance to drivers for the 5 minutes they walk down a stretch of road between two pedestrianised areas. I have not heard anything about intifada and I have not heard anyone chanting about rivers or seas. We shouldn’t pigeon hole lots of people in one lazy stereotype, wherever they are from and whatever they are trying to achieve. I will say that here, whilst the protests have been going on for several months, and getting gradually smaller, the policing of them has been ramped up. A couple of weeks ago I would estimate there were around 100 protestors. They had the company of quite a few police, maybe a dozen ‘normal’ police, some of the city centre security, two police each with video cameras, and a policeman with a stills camera. All the police were significantly closer to the protestors than had been the case several months ago when policing was four police officers, leaning against a wall chatting. I’m not aware of any incident that would have caused a quadrupling of policing for a protest that has halved in size. We can’t demonise protestors for a cause, if we want the right to protest our cause. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 32 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Different people on different marches in different places. My experience in Cardiff has not been aggressive it has been noisy but not threatening, It has been a nuisance to drivers for the 5 minutes they walk down a stretch of road between two pedestrianised areas. I have not heard anything about intifada and I have not heard anyone chanting about rivers or seas. We shouldn’t pigeon hole lots of people in one lazy stereotype, wherever they are from and whatever they are trying to achieve. I will say that here, whilst the protests have been going on for several months, and getting gradually smaller, the policing of them has been ramped up. A couple of weeks ago I would estimate there were around 100 protestors. They had the company of quite a few police, maybe a dozen ‘normal’ police, some of the city centre security, two police each with video cameras, and a policeman with a stills camera. All the police were significantly closer to the protestors than had been the case several months ago when policing was four police officers, leaning against a wall chatting. I’m not aware of any incident that would have caused a quadrupling of policing for a protest that has halved in size. We can’t demonise protestors for a cause, if we want the right to protest our cause. I think it's been far worse in London than Cardiff, and I also probably feel that there's less of the type of person in Cardiff who'd behave like that. Here's a photo from London, right at the front of the protest. I'm sure a lot of these people took these posters from the SWP who are often at booths right at the start of protests, but I wonder if these people think? There's at least 10 people here, right at the front of the protest holding posters advocating another intifada - two periods of this conflict with widespread suicide bombing. And a bit further back: I mean, if I ever spotted someone protesting for Ukraine calling for wiping out or widescale terror against Russia I'd confront them. Same protest, different place: Just calling it 'resistance', sounds like George Galloway tbh. Edited May 1 by magnkarl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 1 Moderator Share Posted May 1 Also amusing is the people who rip off the Socialist Worker bit but keep their message. Yep you still look like a Socialist Workers Party supporter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 4 hours ago, magnkarl said: I think it's been far worse in London than Cardiff, and I also probably feel that there's less of the type of person in Cardiff who'd behave like that. Here's a photo from London, right at the front of the protest. I'm sure a lot of these people took these posters from the SWP who are often at booths right at the start of protests, but I wonder if these people think? There's at least 10 people here, right at the front of the protest holding posters advocating another intifada - two periods of this conflict with widespread suicide bombing. And a bit further back: I mean, if I ever spotted someone protesting for Ukraine calling for wiping out or widescale terror against Russia I'd confront them. Same protest, different place: Just calling it 'resistance', sounds like George Galloway tbh. You’ve approached people in this type of demonstration and asked them for a definition of intifada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 53 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: You’ve approached people in this type of demonstration and asked them for a definition of intifada? No, just the eegits outside the Jewish school my granddaughter attends. I don’t think confronting a mob like that is a good idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 ‘Possible’ war crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3 Moderator Share Posted May 3 A bunch of posts have been removed from this topic because they were essentially about yesterdays elections. Those posts are about yesterdays elections and not the subject of this topic. Please keep this thread about Israel, Gaza and Iran. There are plenty of topics to discuss yesterdays elections, please do so in those topics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 3 Moderator Share Posted May 3 46 minutes ago, omariqy said: That's Alan Partridge! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Source...This guy, and this guy alone, apparently. According to Al Jazeera, he's not even got her age right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Verifiable sources. The BBC had a story yesterday, of an 8 year old boy in the West Bank (not a war zone) shot in the back of the head whilst running away from the IDF. Quote The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the circumstances of the deaths were “under review” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 31 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Verifiable sources. The BBC had a story yesterday, of an 8 year old boy in the West Bank (not a war zone) shot in the back of the head whilst running away from the IDF. Yeah it's not like it's beyond the realms of possibility an Israeli sniper murdered a kid . In fact it's entirely probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T-Dog Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 I don't give a **** what your political or religious or financial stance is, nobody, NOBODY, should die for it. I have my opinions on what's going on, but it falls into the trap of 'we want, they don't, let's do our thing' and I **** hate it. There's enough knowledge, resource, raw materials, technology on this planet for everyone to live together in harmony forever, travel space, learn from each other. But we're here going 'nah mate, that land is mine because it's in a biblical text' - Nah, get ****. This world isn't for that mindset. And that's every religion, I don't give a single smoke about your learnt upbringing, humanity is humanity, wake up and be a **** legend to everyone. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 On 04/05/2024 at 00:20, T-Dog said: I don't give a **** what your political or religious or financial stance is, nobody, NOBODY, should die for it. I have my opinions on what's going on, but it falls into the trap of 'we want, they don't, let's do our thing' and I **** hate it. There's enough knowledge, resource, raw materials, technology on this planet for everyone to live together in harmony forever, travel space, learn from each other. But we're here going 'nah mate, that land is mine because it's in a biblical text' - Nah, get ****. This world isn't for that mindset. And that's every religion, I don't give a single smoke about your learnt upbringing, humanity is humanity, wake up and be a **** legend to everyone. It's impossible to disagree with your sentiment - we are screwed because 'some people' believe they are destined, folks scoff at that tired old line of islamic virgins in heaven awaiting them, well there is something obviously awaiting all religious nuts, nothing the fook at all. I'm tired of it, I'm bored of the troubles, have your beliefs but do not expect anyone to kowtow to your beliefs, and if you massacre a people expect some push back, i.e. Israel's current problem with everyone else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) On 05/05/2024 at 03:42, Jareth said: It's impossible to disagree with your sentiment - we are screwed because 'some people' believe they are destined, folks scoff at that tired old line of islamic virgins in heaven awaiting them, well there is something obviously awaiting all religious nuts, nothing the fook at all. I'm tired of it, I'm bored of the troubles, have your beliefs but do not expect anyone to kowtow to your beliefs, and if you massacre a people expect some push back, i.e. Israel's current problem with everyone else. Coincidentally AH, JS and Pol Pot were all rabid atheists. In fact most civilian deaths committed in the last 100 years were done by regimes who had denounced religion. It's not about religion, it's about people being people, extremes come in all shapes and colours and have a particular tendency of flourishing in societies where the moral grounding that religion can have is totally severed. Edited May 6 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 31 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Coincidentally AH, JS and Pol Pot were all rabid atheists. In fact most civilian deaths committed in the last 100 years were done by regimes who had denounced religion. It's not about religion, it's about people being people, extremes come in all shapes and colours and have a particular tendency of flourishing in societies where the moral grounding that religion can have is totally severed. It's not one or the other, solve the religious wars and you solve an awful lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Jareth said: It's not one or the other, solve the religious wars and you solve an awful lot. While the guise for Benny is religious, this war is obviously not about religion. It's about land and two ways of living (Arab vs Western) crashing with one another. Israel is the West's outpost, while Palestine is the Arab and Iranian world's answer. It was likely about religion totally in the start, but that has moved more over to a geo-political war for the last 50 or so years, or else Sunni Hamas would not be supported by Shia Iran. Edited May 6 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 6 Moderator Share Posted May 6 56 minutes ago, Jareth said: It's not one or the other, solve the religious wars and you solve an awful lot. Very few wars are religious. Religion is the tool to get the people onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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