OutByEaster? Posted December 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, Nigel said: Always think him and Davis are quite similar, maybe this could solve a big problem? I'm struggling to think of two players less similar. What is it you see that's the same in both? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Because he isn't a lone, central forward. Hey, it might work a treat and full credit if it does but it seems a poor decision at this point.. My fear is that our game at the moment relies so much on Davis holding the ball up and playing others in. When Davis can't do this, we play crap. So playing with Adomah up front we'll have to play a different way, because he won't be able to do that. The addition of Grealish may help that. But I'm nervous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Nigel said: Im actually quite interested to see what Anomah can offer up front. Always think him and Davis are quite similar, maybe this could solve a big problem? I totally agree, but just wierd when we have 2 natural strikers sitting on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: We have 2 forwards on the bench. While clearly not fully fit, being on the bench means they are fit enough to play some part in the game. One that this manager spent 10 **** million and is basically saying I ain't got a **** clue how to get anything out of him. Should hand in his resignation for that alone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: On the plus side, over the moon grealish is back in I think he'll step up now and show his class, he should be the best player in this division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2017 The big worry for me is the fact Davis is not in the squad. Real problem if he is injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I totally agree, but just wierd when we have 2 natural strikers sitting on the bench. Neither are good enough for the role we need 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: My fear is that our game at the moment relies so much on Davis holding the ball up and playing others in. When Davis can't do this, we play crap. So playing with Adomah up front we'll have to play a different way, because he won't be able to do that. The addition of Grealish may help that. But I'm nervous. You and me both. I hope something good comes of the new approach out of interest, and like you say having Jack in behind could serve a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 He finally brings in Grealish who can spot a run and still leaves Hogan on the bench. My prediction. Derby go 2-0 up, Bruce brings on Gabby to save the day, Gabby runs around like pisshead at free bar and gets booked within 5 mins of coming on. 2-0 loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2017 Hopefully Elmohamady instead of Hutton gives us a bit more out wide. We might actually see a decent final ball from our fullback! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm struggling to think of two players less similar. What is it you see that's the same in both? Strength, the way they position their bodies to shield the ball, both willing runners that chase the ball into corridors, both take up similar positions, both quick in transition. There are a few others too, but they are the ones that spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nigel said: Neither are good enough for the role we need And I agree, and both need moved on as they clearly offer this team nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Derby rises... with Villa to meet it... Ooops, sorry, should be in the Star Wars thread. Come on Villa... come the **** on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nigel said: The big worry for me is the fact Davis is not in the squad. Real problem if he is injured. he's ill according to wm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, mattyvilla said: he's ill according to wm great news then, in effect hes getting a complete rest. EDIT - Obviously that does depend on how ill he is of course Edited December 16, 2017 by Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, mattyvilla said: he's ill according to wm Sick of seeing Bruce's shit probably!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 If we approach this game with a more possession based football and a more attacking mentality this formation (whatever it may be) might work. If we try and play the usual Bruce way I fear it will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Nigel said: Strength, the way they position their bodies to shield the ball, both willing runners that chase the ball into corridors, both take up similar positions, both quick in transition. There are a few others too, but they are the ones that spring to mind. Got to say I'm with @OutByEaster? on this one mate. I think they are completely different players in every way. Adomah likes the game in front of him. For me the only way this formation is going to work is playing without a dedicated stiker, like Chelsea or Barcelona at times. They all need to be interchangeable. I can't believe I've just suggested we need to play like Barcelona, but you get my drift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nigel said: Strength, the way they position their bodies to shield the ball, both willing runners that chase the ball into corridors, both take up similar positions, both quick in transition. There are a few others too, but they are the ones that spring to mind. For me, Adomah is a player at his best running with and onto the ball, his weakness is his strength and inability to hold it up - I would say he's the weakest of the five midfield players in today's team at that for example - he's a Championship Ashley Young if you like. Davis on the other hand is a big strong boy who is incredibly good at taking the ball with a defender on his back, holding it up and bringing people into play - he's got some other abilities, but his all round game isn't much more than okay - the thing is he's so good at holding the ball up that it elevates him - he's as good as I've seen in the country at it - almost Drogba like in the way he can hold off a defender. It's not just his biggest strength, it's a strength that absolutely dominates his game. For me Davis's strength is Adomah's weakness and vice versa. A big old fashioned number nine and a quick slender winger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, av1 said: I can't believe I've just suggested we need to play like Barcelona, but you get my drift I think with these five midfielders, if we give that a go, it could just work at this level - they're a really good group. It seems unlikely we're suddenly going to change tack and do that though - it's certainly not the "Villa Way", but tiki-taka might just be our best bet today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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