villa89 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Well this is a serious test for Steve Bruce and one I expect him to fail. We need a good performance and a win away from home against one of the better sides in the league but there's no indication that we can do either. Grealish should start but I think Elphick for samba and possibly elmo for Hutton will be the only changes. 2-0 Derby, Weimann 33', 65' Edited December 10, 2017 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Derby should win this one easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Easy derby win 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 10, 2017 Tough, tough game this - Derby are in really good form and they're a decent side. I have a feeling Bruce might set us up to make this one as tight as possible (even more so than he usually does) - and I wouldn't be too surprised to see us get a 0-0 or a 1-1. I think we can look poor against poor sides, because we can't control games using the ball, but I think we can surprise against better sides because we work hard without the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I have a feeling Bruce might set us up to make this one as tight as possible (even more so than he usually does) I have this feeling too. Give them all the ball and hope to nick a goal on the counter, from a set piece or by hoofing it up to Davis will be the plan. Not something a team that wants to get automatic promotion should have to resort to imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The real problem we will face is not our opponents, whoever they are, where they are, what form they are in home or away. Our problem is now ourselves. 1 As Bruce has deployed Hutton or Elmo at RB, Bree nor RDL have not had enough game time to be relied on. 2 Playing an injured Samba „until he finally gets crocked“ now denies us of a CB giving us the honour of playing Elphick. Who‘s next? Richards? Samba as „joker up top“ to relieve Davis is now no longer an option. 3 over playing Whelan, Hourihane Onomah, Snod (also whilst injured), Davis & Adomah has effected ALL of their form We had a backup team of Steer Bree RDL Samba (nobody for Taylor) Elmo Lyden O‘Hare Grealish McC Hogan That XI (with Taylor or even Thor at LB) could hold its own in this league - Not expected to beat Wolves, But Millwall and the majority of the rest. (Not playing Bruce-Ball may I point out). Used correctly (as sub or start) we could be comfortable in using them. Now we have Bree RDL Grealish Lyden & O‘Hare lacking game time Terry Jedi Kodjia Hogan Green & Samba injured Snod Hourihane Whelan Adomah and Onomah out of form and McC down under What an ulmighty F**** up. Whoever Bruce plays now, will not reflect their full potential. SJ Bree Chester RDL Taylor Lansbury Hourihane Elmo Grealish Adomah Davis However, half of them wont be able to deliver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 16 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: Derby should win this one easily. I'm not sure about that. Whilst I doubt we will win, I don't expect them to beat us easily. Nobody has done that since Wolves. Despite us not playing particularly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 11, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2017 I would expect to see a better performance from Villa in this game. The onus will be on Derby to come at Villa thereby leaving a bit more space for Villa to hit them on the break which is Bruce's preferred way of playing. However I just can't see Villa stopping a rampant Derby from scoring so will go for a better performance than last Saturday but a narrow defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2017 There's no form that says Derby automatically win this one - if anything the most likely result is a score draw. It'll be close and I expect a reaction from the squad with a couple of different players starting. Maybe we get some luck and take this 1-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Sorry but we have no chance in this game. Samba‘s injury means Elphick in we have a tired MF of Hourihane & Whelan an off form Snod & Adomah and a shattered Davis Question 1 How are we going to stop them scoring? Question 2 How are we going to score? Derby are getting their momentum going Rowett v Bruce say no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 11, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 11, 2017 Statistically this is as tight as they come. Both sides are in and around the same positions in the various tables you could use to try and quantify them. Whether that be league (4th v 5th), 8th at home v 7th away, form (3rd v 6th), goals scored (10th home v 10th away) or conceded (2nd home v 3rd away) etc. Focussing on Derby's style, we can see that they attack through the middle more than any other side in the league. So the centre backs will face a head-on assault, and players like Whelan will be even more important than they already are. They come down the righthand side the least out of anyone and down the left 20th. They also fancy long shots. Nearly half (47%) of all their shots come from outside the 18 yard box which is joint most in the league (with Norwich & Fulham). In comparison we take the least amount of shots outside the box with just 33%. They've had 5 penalties this season which is the most of any side. As you would expect of a side that attack through the middle, Derby average the least amount of attempted crosses of any side in the league with 16 per game (we average 20). They also don't go in for long balls. Only Villa, Norwich & Flum have fewer. They also average a similar possession to us, so even the styles might be similar, as you might expect from 2 pragmatic managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, BOF said: Statistically this is as tight as they come. Both sides are in and around the same positions in the various tables you could use to try and quantify them. Whether that be league (4th v 5th), 8th at home v 7th away, form (3rd v 6th), goals scored (10th home v 10th away) or conceded (2nd home v 3rd away) etc. Focussing on Derby's style, we can see that they attack through the middle more than any other side in the league. So the centre backs will face a head-on assault, and players like Whelan will be even more important than they already are. They come down the righthand side the least out of anyone and down the left 20th. They also fancy long shots. Nearly half (47%) of all their shots come from outside the 18 yard box which is joint most in the league (with Norwich & Fulham). In comparison we take the least amount of shots outside the box with just 33%. They've had 5 penalties this season which is the most of any side. As you would expect of a side that attack through the middle, Derby average the least amount of attempted crosses of any side in the league with 16 per game (we average 20). They also don't go in for long balls. Only Villa, Norwich & Flum have fewer. They also average a similar possession to us, so even the styles might be similar, as you might expect from 2 pragmatic managers. Thanks for that, wont be many goals then i think. Shame Samba is injured as his height will be missed badly here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 A straight forward win here, but it'll be an ugly performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 35 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Rowett v Bruce say no more Incredibly similar managers in terms of style of play. Not really too sure what your point is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: Incredibly similar managers in terms of style of play. Not really too sure what your point is here. one is a more effective version of the other have a wild guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 11, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 11, 2017 37 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Sorry but we have no chance in this game. Samba‘s injury means Elphick in we have a tired MF of Hourihane & Whelan an off form Snod & Adomah and a shattered Davis Question 1 How are we going to stop them scoring? Question 2 How are we going to score? Derby are getting their momentum going Rowett v Bruce say no more Samba's injury could mean fit-again Jedinak in. Hourihane was rested for Millwall. Adomah has 5 goals in his last 5 games. I agree about Davis and I think we need to look at that. The rest of your post I'd say 'the same as every other week' and Rowett v Bruce just means it could be an ugly one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, Grasshopper said: one is a more effective version of the other have a wild guess Derby are a whopping 1 point ahead of us in the table. WHAT A GULF IN ABILITIES. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bobzy said: Derby are a whopping 1 point ahead of us in the table. WHAT A GULF IN ABILITIES. Rowett got the Scum pushing for 6th with a shit squad within a season he‘s got Derby to look like they mean business. Bruce is underachieving consistantly since January. So when you wake up from your dream you can tell me that we either finished in 2nd above Derby or beat them in the playoffs You mention 1 pt above us. please give me your opinion on Saturday anytime after 5pm when we‘ll be 4pts behind them Thanks in advance Edited December 11, 2017 by Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Rowett got the Scum pushing for 6th with a shit squad within a season he‘s got Derby to look like they mean business. Bruce is underachieving consistantly since January. So when you wake up from your dream you can tell me that we either finished in 2nd above Derby or beat them in the playoffs You mention 1 pt above us. please give me your opinion on Saturday anytime after 5pm when we‘ll be 4pts behind them Thanks in advance Rowett seems a decent manager, not really disputing that. He's taken playoff regulars Derby County into a playoff place - fair play. He's just very similar in style to Bruce and is 1 point ahead of Bruce's team in the league. So I don't understand the point of your "say no more". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, BOF said: Samba's injury could mean fit-again Jedinak in. I hope so 11 minutes ago, BOF said: Hourihane was rested for Millwall. we‘ll see if it wasnt too late a rest 11 minutes ago, BOF said: Adomah has 5 goals in his last 5 games. Pedantic (I know) v Millwall no goal v Leeds no goal 2 bad team performances in which he didnt do a „Kodjia“ Which is the whole point. We simply cant rely on somebody doing a „Kodjia“ EVERY game 11 minutes ago, BOF said: I agree about Davis and I think we need to look at that. The rest of your post I'd say 'the same as every other week' and Rowett v Bruce just means it could be an ugly one. From Rowetts perspective, I dont think ugly will come into it. They‘ll sit back when we have the ball, a hoof or pass will go astray, they‘ll go at us, we‘ll panic the ball away dropping deeper and deeper till they score. Will someone „Kodjia“ us a point or 3? or will they score 2 or more? thats the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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