TrentVilla Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 Didn't watch it, didn't need to.I still how we played, where we fell short, which players weren't any good and how we will do at the next WC. Same as it ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 9 hours ago, av1 said: There was a moment towards the end when Cresswell had a pop from long range. When the cameras panned to him he was ambling back chewing his gum looking like he couldn't give a toss. I know that might sound like a silly thing to have got on my tits, but it justs sums up for me the attitude of a lot of guys playing for England. They really can't be arsed. I have no doubt there are quite a few who simply don't give a ****. The whole thing is just an inconvinience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Its pace in the middle of the park which England lack. That's what france had and what England u20s had. That midfield of Dier and Ox is crap. Dier isn't even that good imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 New manager, same old England. We were lucky to draw in Scotland and then lost to ten man France. We will do well to qualify for the World Cup finals on recent form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 You badly need a foreign coach. It's alright hiring from within when there's something there to hire from. But that cockwomble basically reversed into that job by default and now he's putting out pedestrian sides while doing what he always did i.e. talking quite well in interviews. Well done. You're more articulate than the average footballer. That's not enough. Yes you might be lacking overall quality, but that doesn't mean you couldn't be doing better with what you have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Lets be fair though, we will qualify for the world cup and Southgate should be judged on what we do in the world cup not meaningless friendlies in the middle of June. I don't know if hes the right man but he deserves a chance to fail like the rest of them who had better squads. Just looking at the next 4 games. Remaining fixtures Malta a, Slovenia h, Slovakia h, Lithainia a I don't think we will drop too many points there. Easy Edited June 14, 2017 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, PaulC said: Lets be fair though, we will qualify for the world cup and Southgate should be judged on what we do in the world cup not meaningless friendlies in the middle of June. I don't know if hes the right man but he deserves a chance to fail like the rest of them who had better squads. Just looking at the next 4 games. Remaining fixtures Malta a, Slovenia h, Slovakia h, Lithainia a I don't think we will drop too many points there. Easy Famous last words, anything is possible with these clowns for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Dr_Pangloss said: Famous last words, anything is possible with these clowns for players. Only in competitions finals though not in qualifiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Lets be fair though, we will qualify for the world cup and Southgate should be judged on what we do in the world cup not meaningless friendlies in the middle of June. I don't know if hes the right man but he deserves a chance to fail like the rest of them who had better squads. Just looking at the next 4 games. Remaining fixtures Malta a, Slovenia h, Slovakia h, Lithainia a I don't think we will drop too many points there. Easy You probably won't drop many points there but that's not really the point for a side like England. You SHOULD piss qualification. It shouldn't even be a part of the discussion to be honest. It's precisely the likes of France in mid-June that he should be getting judged on. They ran rings around you. England lose to the big sides. Almost always. Whether it's competitive or not, they usually lose. Maybe they should start taking the 'friendly' opportunities to test their mettle against the better sides a little more seriously. Imagine coming away from one of the glamour ties with a morale boosting win and, more importantly, a morale boosting performance? They'd have a spring in their step. Instead, it's another loss against the kind of side they'll expect to meet when they inevitably make the finals, and another pedestrian performance against what was a largely experimental French side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 England will struggle to get out of the group for the world cup. It's interesting to note how poor the actual performances have been on foreign soil. Slovakia away was a nothing game until the 94th minute, Slovenia away was Joe Hart's best game in years which stopped an embarrasing defeat and Scotland was a bit better but it's Scotland. There's about 10 teams I'd rate with better prospects at next world cup than England.....Germany, Brazil, Argies (Sampaoli will revitalise them), Chile, France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Mexico. You could argue a few more like U.S and Nigeria aswell. Even the quarter finals look a pipe dream now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 We need to uncover a couple of gems before we get there Chris. We know Kane will always get goals, thats a bonus. Defence is a problem, midfield is a problem. We have Alli, Dyer is just a centre back playing in midfield, not much ability imo. Who else is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PaulC said: We need to uncover a couple of gems before we get there Chris. We know Kane will always get goals, thats a bonus. Defence is a problem, midfield is a problem. We have Alli, Dyer is just a centre back playing in midfield, not much ability imo. Who else is there? Is Lallana too lightweight to convert into a central midfielder? I still think his end product isn't good enough at the top level but he is a technically gifted player so put him in there with a bit of mobility and surely he could create stuff? Yeah central midfield is a bit of a waste land atm given the likes of Wilshere and Barkley haven't developed into the players expect and actually starting Livermore in a game shows how desperate things are. Edited June 14, 2017 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Is Lallana too lightweight to convert into a central midfielder? I still think his end product isn't good enough at the top level but he is a technically gifted player so put him in there with a bit of mobility and surely he could create stuff? Yeah central midfield is a bit of a waste land atm given the likes of Wilshere and Barkley haven't developed into the players expect and actually starting Livermore in a game shows how desperate things are. I like Lallana but yes maybe a bit lightweight in cm. Need a bit more pace as well as guile n there. Wilshere I have given up on, if he cant be good under Eddie Howes management then forget it. Barclay bags of talent but he doesn't look international quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, PaulC said: We need to uncover a couple of gems before we get there Chris. We know Kane will always get goals, thats a bonus. Defence is a problem, midfield is a problem. We have Alli, Dyer is just a centre back playing in midfield, not much ability imo. Who else is there? Kane gets goals in Premier League and vs weak international teams. He was awful in Euros and cant remember many Spurs European games that I would say he has stood out in. Looking at his record its good vs weaker team in Europe as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Kane gets goals in Premier League and vs weak international teams. He was awful in Euros and cant remember many Spurs European games that I would say he has stood out in. Looking at his record its good vs weaker team in Europe as well Scored two last night but yes he has still to prove himself at international levl I agree. I discount the euros because Hodgson had him taking all the free kicks and corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Its a much much bigger problem than the quality of the players, it's almost completely a mental issue for me, has been for since 2002, the last euros wasn't about ability, it was about work rate we need a manager and a captain who gets them playing at 100% rather than the lazy excuse filled garbage that we constantly get, too many foreigners in the Prem, the prems too hard, the coach is foreign and doesn't understand English football... it's not going to happen any time soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 16, 2017 To put it into some depressing perspective, I saw this on that there twitter the other night entitled "France are a joke" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosenthal Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Not quite the same KANEDELE – LALLANAROSE – HENDERSON – WINKS – WALKERCAHILL – STONES – DIERBUTLAND RASHFORDSTERLING – BARKLEY - WALCOTTLIVERMORE – WARD-PROWSEBERTRAND – GIBSON – JONES – TRIPPIERPICKFORD VARDYLINGARD – OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN - TOWNSENDDRINKWATER - WILSHERECRESWELL – KEANE – SMALLING - CLYNEHART DEFOEREDMOND – ROONEY – ANTONIOCHALOBAH - NOBLESHAW – JAGIELKA - MAGUIRE - SMITHHEATON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Where's the Deschamps version with Cabaye and Sakho in? France have best under 25 generation in world football. Kongdogbia is another one you could add to that, fallen off the radar since his move to Inter but might have a chance if he goes somewhere else and starts playing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosenthal Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Where's the Deschamps version with Cabaye and Sakho in? Well, they've kept Sissoko in there And I guess Flauvin totally flopped in english football too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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